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Post by redbaron89 on Dec 17, 2017 1:16:43 GMT
Been struggling with my friends infantry heavy issyria list across 3 factions (legion, cygnar, mercs). Problem is mainly blinding light as it removes shooting and spellcasting forcing you to outmelee or out attrition her. Ive tried cephalyx dudespam and blindlight just shuts down mindbenders.
Commonly my friend takes hemera, chimera, double infiltraters, strike force, double assasins.
My latest brainchild is ossrum. Ive got a brick of bunnies protected by orins arcane vortex. Reinholdt and gunners to pop off assasins. Spray bunnies are my create a infantry parking lot crew. Fire for effect artillery, ragman, aiyanna, and hammer dwarves for armor cracking. Eiryss 1 to disrupt a jack every turn and threaten assasination with gunners.
Ossrum wj 28 irregulers Reinholdt free Blasterx4 24 Gunnerx4 24 Forge guardx2 32 Aiyana and holt 8 Artillery corpsx2 12 Anastasia 3 Eiryss 1 free Orin free Ragman free
Whats everyones favorite issyria killer? Any effective builds or casters? People dont seem to be very afraid of her from my experience but she is easily one of the toughest match ups in my meta.
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Post by shoe on Dec 17, 2017 4:54:49 GMT
if u already figgered out orin what is the problem? wat is in teh issy list?
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Post by mikethefish on Dec 17, 2017 13:52:54 GMT
if u already figgered out orin what is the problem? wat is in teh issy list? 2nd paragraph, shoe
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Post by eterenal on Dec 17, 2017 15:28:38 GMT
Siege Crawler works really well into that list as the AOE's have something to target and it frees up your solo slot as Reinholdt is no longer needed (throw in Eilish as he's money with the SC). Ossrum's feat used defensively is very strong into this matchup.
The strong local Ret player we have has expressed to me that Thexus with a bunch of dudes is basically his nightmare matchup as a faction. I'm not sure I follow your problem with Blinding Light on Benders. That only stops Psychic Assault. You can still concussive pulse and adrenal flood, which are both still valuable abilities.
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Post by shoe on Dec 17, 2017 15:51:51 GMT
if u already figgered out orin what is the problem? wat is in teh issy list? 2nd paragraph, shoe okey. i put all that into warroom and it only 50 points so his ossrum list should definitely win!
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Post by redbaron89 on Dec 17, 2017 16:19:08 GMT
It varies with the above models. Those are just the basic framework and what he almost always puts on the table. Sometimes he has variants using trip harpy. Sometimes 2 harpies. Sometimes afg. A model i struggle with. Sometimes nayl. Sometimed hemera and light arc node. I havnt tested this current variant of the ossrum list. Id certainly consider a seige crawler someone mentioned above. Mostly theory crafting. List feedback is appreciated.
However, i am interested in what others are running into issyria. Doesnt even have to be ossrum. "I see issyria shadows across the table, this is the caster and list i grab." Thanks again.
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Post by redbaron89 on Dec 17, 2017 16:31:08 GMT
Eternal "Doesnt blinding light stop all spellcasting? If the unit is affected then the leader of mindbender cant do anything spell casting related, right?
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Post by eterenal on Dec 18, 2017 5:37:58 GMT
Blinding Light stops “magic attacks”. Concussive pulse and adrenal flood are not magic attacks, they are magic actions.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Dec 18, 2017 10:22:44 GMT
Since Ret cannot take the Artificer that provides blast immunity in Shadows, AOEs can do ok. A half decent player will spread out well, but if you are throwing 4" AOEs with the Artillery Corp or Siege Crawler, then you should deviate and still clip a couple.
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Post by mikethefish on Dec 18, 2017 13:06:37 GMT
Since Ret cannot take the Artificer that provides blast immunity in Shadows, AOEs can do ok. A half decent player will spread out well, but if you are throwing 4" AOEs with the Artillery Corp or Siege Crawler, then you should deviate and still clip a couple. Wouldn't Durgen blow this army apart fairly easily? His gun would be particularly effective, and Primed would be hard to avoid, thanks to all the half-inch melee ranges in Shadows. Additionally, he couldn't give two craps about Blinding Light. Either he is too far away to be effected, or he just has one if his anti-magic solos (Eilish or Orin) strip off the upkeep
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Post by eterenal on Dec 18, 2017 14:02:44 GMT
Well, Blinding Light isn't an upkeep so only Orin can be effective in that regard. Durgen has decent offensive potential, but I'd worry about him falling over dead to a couple of crossbow bolts to the face on Issy's feat turn.
The reason Ossrum is one of the stronger matchups is due to Ossrum's feat buying you a turn. The Issy army is largerly POW 10's, and even weaponmaster POW 10's don't do much against ARM 21+, so Issy typically can't feat until after Ossrum has feated.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Dec 18, 2017 14:10:41 GMT
Since Ret cannot take the Artificer that provides blast immunity in Shadows, AOEs can do ok. A half decent player will spread out well, but if you are throwing 4" AOEs with the Artillery Corp or Siege Crawler, then you should deviate and still clip a couple. Wouldn't Durgen blow this army apart fairly easily? His gun would be particularly effective, and Primed would be hard to avoid, thanks to all the half-inch melee ranges in Shadows. Additionally, he couldn't give two craps about Blinding Light. Either he is too far away to be effected, or he just has one if his anti-magic solos (Eilish or Orin) strip off the upkeep I suppose he would, but it may be a bit overkill. Also his feat is a bit redundant as boosted blast damage is not needed to kill arm 11 single wound infantry, and the boosted attacks is not that useful as everything pretty much has stealth. There are probably better all round casters that can play into Issy if given a few correct tools.
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Post by mikethefish on Dec 18, 2017 14:16:41 GMT
Well, Blinding Light isn't an upkeep so only Orin can be effective in that regard. Durgen has decent offensive potential, but I'd worry about him falling over dead to a couple of crossbow bolts to the face on Issy's feat turn. The reason Ossrum is one of the stronger matchups is due to Ossrum's feat buying you a turn. The Issy army is largerly POW 10's, and even weaponmaster POW 10's don't do much against ARM 21+, so Issy typically can't feat until after Ossrum has feated. Good call in the Blinding Light. Orin it is then. Not sure I share your fears with the ranged assassination. Having an effective Signs and Portents on attacks usually only amounts to about a +2 or so. Even then, it'll take a huge amount of crossbow shots to do significant damage against Durgen's arm 17. We are only talking about Pow 10 shooting after all. Durgen should be in a fairly decent board position as well, thanks to Arcing Fire. Balance that with Durgen's significant body count turn after turn after turn - to say nothing about whatever his army happens to be doing. No, Shadows is exactly the sort of army that Durgen loves to prey on.
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Post by Xintas on Dec 18, 2017 18:20:31 GMT
I tend to drop Magnus2 into a list like this. Unyielding Manglers are happy to chew through infiltrators and laugh off pow 11s for a good long time. Meanwhile you can drop a renegade shot into one clump or an obliteration into another. Not a perfect solution, but it's worked for me pretty well so far.
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Post by eterenal on Dec 19, 2017 14:01:38 GMT
Well, Blinding Light isn't an upkeep so only Orin can be effective in that regard. Durgen has decent offensive potential, but I'd worry about him falling over dead to a couple of crossbow bolts to the face on Issy's feat turn. The reason Ossrum is one of the stronger matchups is due to Ossrum's feat buying you a turn. The Issy army is largerly POW 10's, and even weaponmaster POW 10's don't do much against ARM 21+, so Issy typically can't feat until after Ossrum has feated. Good call in the Blinding Light. Orin it is then. Not sure I share your fears with the ranged assassination. Having an effective Signs and Portents on attacks usually only amounts to about a +2 or so. Even then, it'll take a huge amount of crossbow shots to do significant damage against Durgen's arm 17. We are only talking about Pow 10 shooting after all. Durgen should be in a fairly decent board position as well, thanks to Arcing Fire. Balance that with Durgen's significant body count turn after turn after turn - to say nothing about whatever his army happens to be doing. No, Shadows is exactly the sort of army that Durgen loves to prey on. Eh, I'm not going to convince you otherwise, but I suggest you not only play that matchup sometime. I'd be surprised if it was anything above a 50/50 for you. Another problem with the dwarf options is the list chicken conundrum Ret can present you with. Ossrum/Durgen relying on too many guns will crumple to a Forges of War list due to all of the shield guards. I believe that's why my local Ret player thinks Thexus is one of the strongest matchups since he can provide a decent answer to both of these styles of lists. Thexus also doesn't fall over dead to Ravyn's tricks due to Sac Pawn.
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