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Post by killroundears on Dec 15, 2017 21:51:28 GMT
Hey there,
Harby is really interesting to me. i quite like being faster than normal menoth speeds (crusaders call!) and having strong denial tools (matyrdom, rebuke and purification, and to a lesser degree the feat, nerfed as it is). that massive focus count too unf
is she viable still? where do you think shes sitting in the power curve of menoth casters and how would you build her currently?
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Post by chillychinaman on Dec 16, 2017 19:40:36 GMT
Harby is probably on the middle to low end of the power curve. Her abilities force toward the frontlines to use and being on a large base makes her an easy target. Many people think that purification is too expensive a spell with too much of a downside in our faction.
That said, if you set on playing her, and I love her too, consider the following:
Exemplar Interdiction: Exemplar by themselves are pretty slow, Vengers notwithstanding, and the deployment buff + Crusaders Call go a long way to deliver our powerful Weapon Masters. The theme also allows Rhoven & Co. who have great synergy with Harbinger's Martyrdom and their Shield Guards.
Faithful Masses: She can keep the various UAs alive to preserve their benefits on them unit, particularly Monolith Bearer in addition your Champ Missiles in Dragoon form. Although they don't have Rhoven & Co., they can still take Vigilants to protector her.
Guardians of the Temple: This theme has some of the best combat solos in the faction and Martyr can help deliver them.
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Post by W0lfBane on Dec 17, 2017 2:13:41 GMT
Look upon my stupidity. lormahordes.freeforums.net/thread/5725/heroes-never-dieI feel the reason I like this over other lists is cause on average Harby can only save 7 models before she needs to heal so she wants things that are hard to kill. But she wants warrior models more than jacks. You want to play her forward but you also need protection. Basically the way I see her being played best as just jam her and her super hard to kill army Into their face and laugh divinely. |
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Post by mydnight on Dec 17, 2017 2:19:55 GMT
You need to protect her from spells and shooting. So, devout, maybe vigilant.
I like her in faithful masses with Forgeguard, since forgeguard like both crusaders call and the attack boost.
Her feat is near useless. Don't plan or play around it.
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Post by W0lfBane on Dec 17, 2017 20:38:39 GMT
You need to protect her from spells and shooting. So, devout, maybe vigilant. I like her in faithful masses with Forgeguard, since forgeguard like both crusaders call and the attack boost. Her feat is near useless. Don't plan or play around it. I feel you are wrong about her feat. Like it is definitely not strong enough for you to plan around it. But in the middle of games I've had situations where it helped a lot. Its not great but its not useless either. |
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Post by Fire Step on Dec 17, 2017 22:24:15 GMT
As far as "must-haves" I would put the hierophant in the list. Having either a spell be cheaper, or a free heal is so important for her when martyring.
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Post by killroundears on Dec 18, 2017 1:49:14 GMT
As far as "must-haves" I would put the hierophant in the list. Having either a spell be cheaper, or a free heal is so important for her when martyring. So you wouldnt touch exemplar interdiction or other themes with no hiero? |
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Post by Cyel on Dec 18, 2017 6:06:05 GMT
You need to protect her from spells and shooting. So, devout, maybe vigilant. I like her in faithful masses with Forgeguard, since forgeguard like both crusaders call and the attack boost. Her feat is near useless. Don't plan or play around it. I feel you are wrong about her feat. Like it is definitely not strong enough for you to plan around it. But in the middle of games I've had situations where it helped a lot. Its not great but its not useless either. I agree. Sometimes it is indeed useless, but sometimes it's a game winner. For example try playing Una2 with Tharn and Griffons (very popular combination) against Harby and prepare for a non-turn. |
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Post by dicebedamned on Dec 18, 2017 13:10:05 GMT
I tend to run her out of theme...
Reason being I want to take the Hierophant, VoJ, book, monks and Rhoven & Co.
Flamebringers are gold with her. The extra speed is handy, martyr is useful and they can often between sidestep and reposition charge something out of awe range, and then get back into awe bubble.
Faithful masses with double champion is quite good,also.
I also sometimes much about with the Harby and the Heroes list. Basically a bunch of combat solos kept alive by martyrdom, but taken to ridiculous level - full pala boat, monks, KES, Nicia, Pyruhss etc...
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Post by thelat on Dec 18, 2017 18:33:24 GMT
On paper, the Vessel Of Judgment should work well with her. I also play Legion, and the way to deal with Harby back in MkII was quantity of attacks, not quality, so minimizing the number of attacks you can receive is important.
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Post by blakeh1 on Dec 19, 2017 21:04:13 GMT
Faithful Masses seems really promising for Harbinger
being able to martyr the Monolith Bearer on top of him sac pawning to other zealots first makes it really frustrating to get rid of the unit and almost guarantees you will get to use Greater Destiny
Likewise with Idrians, you can keep the Guide alive so you don't lose Prey
And Vilmon, the Monk and the Paladin dragoon are also perfect martyr targets as well
plus you get access to the Avatar in that theme.
Also you get a to place wall template to park her behind
The only thing I really miss is the Vessel
Exemplar Interdiction would be perfect for her except for missing out on the Hierophant. That forces you to be spending FOC to heal or to bring the Vessel and or in sceanrio games with an objective, pick the healing option
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Post by Provengreil on Dec 21, 2017 13:03:50 GMT
On paper, the Vessel Of Judgment should work well with her. I also play Legion, and the way to deal with Harby back in MkII was quantity of attacks, not quality, so minimizing the number of attacks you can receive is important. on paper, yes, but not practice. Those points are better spent adding more high quality combat units, since you'll get more infantry than extra martyrs, and one unit can be kept behind the front lines to charge in fresh and ready instead of barely keeping your caster and front line alive.
Mostly her issue is that her feat is unreliably useful at best, and her best ways of playing work only against an all-melee, all living army that carries no grievous wounds. if the enemy doesn't fit that description, one or more of her tactics just kinda stop working.
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Post by W0lfBane on Dec 22, 2017 3:14:00 GMT
On paper, the Vessel Of Judgment should work well with her. I also play Legion, and the way to deal with Harby back in MkII was quantity of attacks, not quality, so minimizing the number of attacks you can receive is important. on paper, yes, but not practice. Those points are better spent adding more high quality combat units, since you'll get more infantry than extra martyrs, and one unit can be kept behind the front lines to charge in fresh and ready instead of barely keeping your caster and front line alive.
Mostly her issue is that her feat is unreliably useful at best, and her best ways of playing work only against an all-melee, all living army that carries no grievous wounds. if the enemy doesn't fit that description, one or more of her tactics just kinda stop working.
I disagree I think her life is a very limiting factor in how much she can heal and having the extra healing really helps. Also the vessel can be a good shooting piece in an otherwise non shoot army |
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