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Post by musza on Dec 15, 2017 15:08:33 GMT
Hello there! I'm Tomasz "Musza" Mucha and I'm a writer for the WarRoom.pl blog about Warmachine and Hordes. I play Circle Orboros and I thought you guys might be interested in some battle reports. I will be posting all my BRs here as well as some tactics and answer your questions, if you have any. here's the first one, Tanith in Call of the Wild vs Kromac2 also in Call of the Wild warroom.pl/en/battle-report_tanith_vs_kromac2/
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Post by kuririnad on Dec 15, 2017 21:34:41 GMT
Cool report. Always looking for batreps to read, so keep them coming!
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Post by Lord_Randall on Dec 16, 2017 10:13:32 GMT
Hello there! I'm Tomasz "Musza" Mucha and I'm a writer for the WarRoom.pl blog about Warmachine and Hordes. I play Circle Orboros and I thought you guys might be interested in some battle reports. I will be posting all my BRs here as well as some tactics and answer your questions, if you have any. here's the first one, Tanith in Call of the Wild vs Kromac2 also in Call of the Wild warroom.pl/en/battle-report_tanith_vs_kromac2/Nice to read some Circle action finally. Keep going! Teach to the Americans the true jank polish school!!! About Tanith if you are ditching the 4th free slot, other than gobbers can be usefull picking up a bog trog mistspeaker. With a 6 points package you get a prowl trigger, a disposable scoring unit (you can be more liberal with stones placement), a self-prowl-triggering solo (usefull for flag duty) and a source of magic weapon. Plus eyeless sight is brilliant on both Loki and Tanith.
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Post by macdaddy on Dec 17, 2017 3:03:42 GMT
Cool reports! Excited to see more
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Post by gordaunikus1 on Dec 17, 2017 3:35:53 GMT
Enjoyed them thank you
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Post by jisidro on Dec 18, 2017 11:37:25 GMT
Moar reps!
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Post by musza on Dec 21, 2017 23:23:22 GMT
Hello there! I'm Tomasz "Musza" Mucha and I'm a writer for the WarRoom.pl blog about Warmachine and Hordes. I play Circle Orboros and I thought you guys might be interested in some battle reports. I will be posting all my BRs here as well as some tactics and answer your questions, if you have any. here's the first one, Tanith in Call of the Wild vs Kromac2 also in Call of the Wild warroom.pl/en/battle-report_tanith_vs_kromac2/Nice to read some Circle action finally. Keep going! Teach to the Americans the true jank polish school!!! About Tanith if you are ditching the 4th free slot, other than gobbers can be usefull picking up a bog trog mistspeaker. With a 6 points package you get a prowl trigger, a disposable scoring unit (you can be more liberal with stones placement), a self-prowl-triggering solo (usefull for flag duty) and a source of magic weapon. Plus eyeless sight is brilliant on both Loki and Tanith. Yeah, that's kinda funny. I recently won a Masters event with my Circle and everyone here says "yet another Circle win, this army is broken" to a point I felt kinda bad about it. In USA, players are more like "Circle is in a bad spot right now".
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Post by demonic on Dec 22, 2017 2:44:07 GMT
mm, it's a difference in playing style. In the US you see a LOT of power gamers using Cryx spams, Khador armor, and Cygnar shenanigans. After we figured out a few powerful Convergence lists, everyone jumped on the band wagon and we got practically mimicked versions of the same lists. Now that Trolls got their CID upgrade, my meta went from 1 major troll user and 3 minor users to 3 major and 3 minor (minor means it's not their main faction). Since circle is a bad match up against Khador, people have a misconception that "since circle is pillow fisted when compared to Khador than they must be pillow fisted against all factions" In reality, the real power circle holds is behind misconceptions like that. In a balder1 bones list you can have a guardian hit at a base PS level of 22, easily cracking and smashing khador at their heaviest armor. Wolds are slow and have no access to threat extenders -.- *runs wold guardian turn 1. uses shifting stones to move him an additional 8 inches up the field. he now has the entire zone in his charge range for next turn... does it again with another guardian and set of stones* Who needs threat extenders when you can just auto-engage your SLOWEST model x.x I think where the US circle players are having an issue is finding counters to what we aren't good against. What I just showed was a way to counter getting cornered by Khador armor or huge threat ranges that can easily out scenario or average list. By simply getting our heavy hitters there before they can heavily attack it, we already sealed the scenario advantage. Warpwolves costing too much? use a Riphorn, it deals comparitive damage, especially under primal, without the need of being a wold. I guess you could call it closed sightedness and the reason why Brandon won our last Warmachine Weekend; he owns and plays as every faction in order to completely understand the strengths, weaknesses, and what they have access too before casting judgement.
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Post by whydak on Dec 22, 2017 7:42:20 GMT
mm, it's a difference in playing style. In the US you see a LOT of power gamers using Cryx spams, Khador armor, and Cygnar shenanigans. After we figured out a few powerful Convergence lists, everyone jumped on the band wagon and we got practically mimicked versions of the same lists. Now that Trolls got their CID upgrade, my meta went from 1 major troll user and 3 minor users to 3 major and 3 minor (minor means it's not their main faction). Since circle is a bad match up against Khador, people have a misconception that "since circle is pillow fisted when compared to Khador than they must be pillow fisted against all factions" In reality, the real power circle holds is behind misconceptions like that. In a balder1 bones list you can have a guardian hit at a base PS level of 22, easily cracking and smashing khador at their heaviest armor. Wolds are slow and have no access to threat extenders -.- *runs wold guardian turn 1. uses shifting stones to move him an additional 8 inches up the field. he now has the entire zone in his charge range for next turn... does it again with another guardian and set of stones* Who needs threat extenders when you can just auto-engage your SLOWEST model x.x I think where the US circle players are having an issue is finding counters to what we aren't good against. What I just showed was a way to counter getting cornered by Khador armor or huge threat ranges that can easily out scenario or average list. By simply getting our heavy hitters there before they can heavily attack it, we already sealed the scenario advantage. Warpwolves costing too much? use a Riphorn, it deals comparitive damage, especially under primal, without the need of being a wold. I guess you could call it closed sightedness and the reason why Brandon won our last Warmachine Weekend; he owns and plays as every faction in order to completely understand the strengths, weaknesses, and what they have access too before casting judgement. In Legion I call this MK2 syndrome. Faction can still work but old sollutions are no longer valid and you have to work on improvements. But it takes time and bad ideas cost you a lot of game time which is limited. And loosing isn't the most pleasent thing Sometime currently competivie bulid is not the thing you choosen your faction for. Many people came to Circle to play mele army with Warpwolfes and some time ago top Circle builds were woldwyrds gunlines. Other thing that differs are game costs In Poland some solid collection for tournament play can cost you about 2 monthly wages. It makes jumping factions little harder for most people so with work with what we got
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Post by musza on Dec 22, 2017 14:11:10 GMT
mm, it's a difference in playing style. In the US you see a LOT of power gamers using Cryx spams, Khador armor, and Cygnar shenanigans. After we figured out a few powerful Convergence lists, everyone jumped on the band wagon and we got practically mimicked versions of the same lists. Now that Trolls got their CID upgrade, my meta went from 1 major troll user and 3 minor users to 3 major and 3 minor (minor means it's not their main faction). Since circle is a bad match up against Khador, people have a misconception that "since circle is pillow fisted when compared to Khador than they must be pillow fisted against all factions" In reality, the real power circle holds is behind misconceptions like that. In a balder1 bones list you can have a guardian hit at a base PS level of 22, easily cracking and smashing khador at their heaviest armor. Wolds are slow and have no access to threat extenders -.- *runs wold guardian turn 1. uses shifting stones to move him an additional 8 inches up the field. he now has the entire zone in his charge range for next turn... does it again with another guardian and set of stones* Who needs threat extenders when you can just auto-engage your SLOWEST model x.x I think where the US circle players are having an issue is finding counters to what we aren't good against. What I just showed was a way to counter getting cornered by Khador armor or huge threat ranges that can easily out scenario or average list. By simply getting our heavy hitters there before they can heavily attack it, we already sealed the scenario advantage. Warpwolves costing too much? use a Riphorn, it deals comparitive damage, especially under primal, without the need of being a wold. I guess you could call it closed sightedness and the reason why Brandon won our last Warmachine Weekend; he owns and plays as every faction in order to completely understand the strengths, weaknesses, and what they have access too before casting judgement. Circle has magical weapon all across the faction which is very relevant in current meta. We also have many RFPs (Crevasse, Hellmouth, Watchers fists just to name a few) so we don't suffer from Cryx matchups like meny faction does (Khador). We can hit hard with casters like Kromac2, Una or Synergy warlocks so Khador is not really a problem anymore (it used to before Call of the Wild). Cygnar shenanigans are also avoidable because we are really versatile faction with access to pretty much everything (elemental protection, magic weapons, grevious wounds, enthropic force etc.). I would say it's hard to pair Circle to answer all current meta problems with 2-lists... but every faction has their downsides somewhere (yes, even Cryx). btw. actually, Wolds has an access to threat extenders. We can have a Hunters Mark from Blackclad Wayfarers or Lanyssa in themes now. Also, Bradigus FEAT is one hell of a threat extension, isn't it?
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Post by bloodhawk on Dec 22, 2017 16:56:01 GMT
Circle definitely has the tools, and IMO is so close to being a top tier faction (where they deserve to be . It seems to me like we just need a few points tweaks to really get them there consistently. If you compare the points of a warpwolf to the points of other hordes faction heavies, they are definitely a point or two overcosted. It is nice to read about the success others have with the faction outside the US. I think a negative side effect of the CID cycles is that it gives every faction more of a reason to complain with their current rules. For example, if I can look at my models and say "we can change this" they you are more likely to look at what you "think" should be changed rather than enjoy what is already available. In the end, it is always better to look at the tools you have and work on constructive solutions to existing problems. Side note, yes, the wolds have threat extenders. My favorite Wold threat extender is called Bradigus, and he gives plus 5 inches on feat turn . Combine that with a stone port and you can make a Wold Guardian attack from 14 inches away. I haven't played Bradigus since the Wold changes, but once I finish painting him he is going straight on the table. I don't know about other people, but I was a huge fan of his in MKII and I really think he is pretty darn close to his old level of power after the CID changes. He will definitely play differently, but his lists really don't lack for anything IMO.
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Post by Lord_Randall on Dec 22, 2017 19:54:42 GMT
Circle is a faction of answers, we don't ask questions, we find solutions and now we have 3 solid themes for doing it.
When you pick Circle you just need a solid knowledge of your meta. Because like many others we have holes in our pairings in a 2 lists format. And you need lot of pratice because Circle is time consuming and taxing To play well.
Having good Cygnar and Cryx options is a nice spot to be. And we have many of them. Just leave your comfort zone and try different things.
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Post by bloodhawk on Dec 22, 2017 20:27:12 GMT
Circle is a faction of answers, we don't ask questions, we find solutions and now we have 3 solid themes for doing it. When you pick Circle you just need a solid knowledge of your meta. Because like many others we have holes in our pairings in a 2 lists format. And you need lot of pratice because Circle is time consuming and taxing To play well. Having good Cygnar and Cryx options is a nice spot to be. And we have many of them. Just leave your comfort zone and try different things. Your very correct. We can certainly solve any problem, but we don't ask any questions at the moment. Ironically that may be one of the biggest problems with Circle at the moment. In MkII there were plenty of casters that asked a question (Morvh2, Bradigus, etc), and in MkIII we had several as well (Wurmwood, and Una2). Now I am not saying that Wurmwood and Una2 didn't need to be adjusted, but it is funny that they seem now relegated to answering questions rather than asking them. I have wondered recently if Wurmwood was in his pre nerf state if he would be played significantly more than he is now. That being said, I would argue that in MkIII Wurmwood and Una2 really just masked bigger problems with the faction. Hopefully will have solutions to some of those problems in the upcoming CID.
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Post by musza on Dec 24, 2017 0:44:49 GMT
I'd say double Wrath Baldur2 asks pretty tough question
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Post by bloodhawk on Dec 24, 2017 19:37:20 GMT
I'd say double Wrath Baldur2 asks pretty tough question Touche . And that list seems to be tricky for Cryx to deal with. They like their debuffs and woldwrath says no.
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