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Post by Gamingdevil on Dec 12, 2017 13:54:28 GMT
Seeing as there is still no discussion on it, what does everything think about the new ADR roster? (Agathia, Deneghra 2, Terminus, Aiakos 2)
Personally I think Denny 2 is a blast to play with her CID rules, so I want to play her anyway. I think a Terminus brick would complement it the most, probably in Dark Host. While I think both Aiakos and Agathia are fun to play, I don't really see how they bring much to the table, especially over other casters.
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Post by tiberius on Dec 12, 2017 14:47:13 GMT
I was thinking a Terminus brick as well, though I wasn't sure if I wanted to do Infernal Machines with him and go full mechanithrall recursion boat, or just go with the full on bum rush of the dark host and steam roller down the field.
I was leaning toward Agathia with dark host, but a really fast Aiakos scourge of the broken coast list might be really fun.
But for me, Terminus is the choice 1, I just need to decide who is coming along.
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Post by Grimolf on Dec 12, 2017 16:52:32 GMT
I haven’t played Denny2 with the new CID rules, but she looks fun and interesting. I really want to try her out, so that’s where I’ll start. Otherwise, I always enjoy playing Aiakos2, but I’m not sure how well he’d pair with Denny2. In the end, as Gamingdevil suggests, I think Terminus will make a nice pair with Denny2 this time around. That’s not a bad thing. Terminus can be loads of fun too. I’ll need to re-read Tiberius’ posts about Terminus in themes for some ideas (thanks for those! ), but I think I like him in Dark Host ... probably because I like banes. Now I just need to see if we can organize a Champions event around here.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Dec 13, 2017 10:05:04 GMT
I haven’t played Denny2 with the new CID rules, but she looks fun and interesting. I really want to try her out, so that’s where I’ll start. Otherwise, I always enjoy playing Aiakos2, but I’m not sure how well he’d pair with Denny2. I'm of the same opinion of Aiakos, he's fun, but he doesn't bring much to the table, especially paired with Denny 2. I only tested her once during the CID, in Ghost Fleet against Makeda MoW, so the recursion was terrible. She does enjoy having a good infantry screen so she can lurk just behind it to threaten that 15" of "feed your caster to my army". She likes Nightmare and Deathjack and other high value targets for the feat, and she does enjoy a Misery Cage or 2 (like every spell caster). I'm conflicted about which theme she should play in. On the one hand, there is Black Industries, which makes her heavies very survivable against range, which means you can use the feat to get a second alpha, but there you don't really want to take an infantry screen. You can also go with Infernal Machines, but then you're kind of forced to take a bunch of Brutes to protect your jacks. You can go with Ghost Fleet, but then you basically only get Nightmare to seal the assassination deal. Slaughter Fleet Raiders or Scourge of the Broken Coast could work I suppose, but not sure if it's the best for here and you also lose out on Deathjack.
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Post by npe on Dec 13, 2017 19:14:29 GMT
Seeing as there is still no discussion on it, what does everything think about the new ADR roster? (Agathia, Deneghra 2, Terminus, Aiakos 2) Personally I think Denny 2 is a blast to play with her CID rules, so I want to play her anyway. I think a Terminus brick would complement it the most, probably in Dark Host. While I think both Aiakos and Agathia are fun to play, I don't really see how they bring much to the table, especially over other casters. Agathia SFR has a reasonable amount going for it. She gives the infantry terrain mitigation, likes the priestess and hellwrought can dial up a colossal. Aiakos2 also benefits a lot from the priestess and SFR. Tactician lets him go from the back of your lines to the front and Kribby threats 17" and hits at mat 9/11 p+s 20 with gang fighter and scything touch applied by a warrior model.
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Post by npe on Dec 13, 2017 19:15:56 GMT
Also regarding Terminus. I think 2 WE and Darragh with him in Dark Host might be a very interesting build.
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Post by Deller on Dec 14, 2017 0:42:02 GMT
Personally I’m feeling Agathia/Deneghra2 is a solid pairing. Aiakos2 just doesn’t impress me & I'm not sold that reinforcements actually help him, and Terminus felt extremely lackluster to play with the Revenant nerfs, on top of all the theme he really wants to play in don’t care about reinforcements. Honestly the only theme forces that seem like they want reinforcements are Slaughter Fleet, Infernal Machines, & Black Industries. The other 3 themes just seem too restrictive & Linear to actually benefit from reinforcements.
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Post by drach42 on Jan 2, 2018 16:35:26 GMT
I have been putting a lot of thought into using the upcoming ADR. I am pretty settled on using the new Denny2. Since the first week of the CID I have been playtesting her and she feels really good. This is what I have settled on with her. conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0U0Bkdkdkd1w1f1f1e1u1v2k2n2n2n2BCryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Black Industries !!! Your army contains CID entries. (Deneghra 2) Wraith Witch Deneghra [+28] - Corruptor [15] - Corruptor [15] - Corruptor [15] - Deathjack [23] - Nightwretch [0(7)] - Nightwretch [0(7)] - Ripjaw [0(7)] - Seether [13] - Slayer [10] Machine Wraith [2] Necrotech [2] Necrotech [2] Necrotech [2] Warwitch Siren [4] This list kicks most of the current cryx lists in the jimmy pretty hard. The satyxis theme, ghost fleet, slaughter fleet, IM all get wrecked pretty hard by this list. Dark host is more of a problem but still an advantaged matchup, although I still need a few more games against it to really make sure. The list also catches many of the other offenders in the crossfire. Truthfully I love this list and think it plays well into most of the field. However I think it would play better against other heavies if I could turn 2 of the corruptors into 3 slayers, or add in the WSC for double circle zone scenarios. So the main denny2 list is great against infantry, but could be better against heavies. Enter my list pair. conflictchamber.com/#c4201b_-0Ugz1w1f1f1u0t3h333h1p2k2k2n2n2n2B2BCryx Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Black Industries (Aiakos 2) Captain Aiakos [+29] - Deathjack [23] - Nightwretch [0(7)] - Nightwretch [0(7)] - Seether [13] - The Withershadow Combine [9] Iron Lich Overseer [5] - Malice [15] Iron Lich Overseer [5] - Harrower [16] Machine Wraith [2] Machine Wraith [2] Necrotech [2] Necrotech [2] Necrotech [2] Warwitch Siren [4] Warwitch Siren [4] This list has a great threat range and will completely shred/control heavy builds or even mixed builds. The list really gets hosed if my opponent can stationary my jackmarshall module though. Enter the ADR swap for a kraken. So the general principle is look at my opponents pairing. I am asking a question with both lists, can you deal with multiple heavies that are hard to shoot. If he has a clear answer in the form of weapon masters or hard hitting infantry, apply denny2. If his armor cracking list is other heavies apply aiakos. What do you think? Also if you have seen lists you think will really give me a hard time I would love you to point them out.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 4, 2018 7:47:07 GMT
I don't really see how your Denny 2 list is so great into Scourge of the Broken Coast, seeing as it has magical weapons out of the wazoo. I'll grant that Corruptors are passable against Raiders because of Burster, but even with Breath Stealer, you will need 9's to hit, assuming no aiming, because if you can, you will have gotten charged, or at least engaged.
Your explanations sound good in theory, but I don't think double BI is a good pairing. I think you will be in trouble against the likes of Retribution, Nemo 3, Haley 3, to name a few.
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Post by tiberius on Jan 4, 2018 12:07:33 GMT
I have to agree, while fundamentally, the lists are trying to do different things with the warjack weapons available and the caster abilities, your lists are just too similar and will share the same weaknesses for defenses. And unless you are strictly playing for assassination, you are leaving yourself out of any type of strong scenario play by not bringing any unit except the withershadow in one list.
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Post by tiberius on Jan 24, 2018 19:26:04 GMT
In a few months (mid-march) I will be attending a small masters tournament where we have to use casters from the roster. My initial feel is a Terminus Dark Host and Aiakos Scourge list. Here is what I am thinking. I am pretty happy with the terminus list. I am not sure the scourge list plays to Aiakos's strengths at all and may go to a black industries list for him.
Lich Lord Terminus - Skarlock Thrall - Barathrum - Desecrator - Inflictor Wraith Engine Bane Lord Tartarus Darragh Wrathe Bane Knights (max) Bane Warriors + CA
Captain Aiakos - Leviathan - Harrower - Kharybdis (still have this as 19 pts, may be able to get something else in here) Satyxis Raider Captain Wrong Eye and Snapjaw Satyxis Blood Witches + hag Satyxis Raiders + Sea Witch
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 25, 2018 8:26:42 GMT
I think Aiakos is one of the few casters that likes IM. He can't play full jacks, so BI isn't really that good, but he really does like Deathjack and Withershadow Combine, in addition, Carnage and Scything Touch are very good tools to have for Mechanithralls. Shield Guards are also appreciated to keep your caster, and Deathjack, safe. It's interesting, I have a tournament requiring ADR casters on March 10. as well
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Post by tiberius on Jan 25, 2018 13:31:26 GMT
Okay, good advice Gamingdevil, changing it up to IM. Here is what I am thinking, maybe get some shrikes in play.
Captain Aiakos - Withershadow Combine - Deathjack - Leviathan - Nightwretch - Shrike x 2 Warwitch Siren x 2 Pistol Wraith (free) Saxon Orik Mechanithralls (max) + 2 brute thralls Bile Thralls (min) + skarlock commander
Right away I noticed the list didn't have any pathfinder except for the flying shrikes (and the leviathan), so I added Saxon to give some terrain mitigation and an extra gun.
Shrikes are there for unit and high defense mitigation.
Warwitch sirens bring some much needed focus spending relief for the warjacks.
Mechanithralls will be the work horses with brute thralls doubling as shield guards.
Bile thralls will advance deploy and force my opponent to deal with them or catch some auto hitting corrosion sprays.
Deathjack and the leviathan can handle armor cracking pretty well, especially with scything touch in the mix.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jan 25, 2018 13:40:08 GMT
Okay, good advice Gamingdevil, changing it up to IM. Here is what I am thinking, maybe get some shrikes in play. Captain Aiakos - Withershadow Combine - Deathjack - Leviathan - Nightwretch - Shrike x 2 Warwitch Siren x 2 Pistol Wraith (free) Saxon Orik Mechanithralls (max) + 2 brute thralls Bile Thralls (min) + skarlock commander Do you have anything else available? I don't think the Leviathan is very useful (only one shot on the Assault) and Kharybdis is really good now. Also, the more Shield Guards, the better.
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Post by tiberius on Jan 25, 2018 14:34:12 GMT
I like the leviathan if I can get the white squall off onto their caster or a way to really soften up heavies for the mechanithralls to charge and finish off. It was between it or a harrower and for this list, I felt the harrowers job was being done by the shrikes and biles.
I do have one of everything pretty much as far as cryx models goes, and two of a few key things. Once Kharybdis shows its point decrease in warroom, I could consider subbing that in though I need to come up with a point somewhere, maybe the nightwretch to a deathripper.
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