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Post by vasquez21 on Dec 12, 2017 10:35:30 GMT
Hello guys, I am long time Trollblood player. But I always wanted to also have army from Warmachine universe, I love how thoose guys looks, so I found list I wanted to play: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0x7a7q7q0d0d7t7thF7phF7p8r878HKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Jaws of the Wolf (Karchev 1) Karchev the Terrible [+30] - Devastator [14] - Devastator [14] - Juggernaut [12] - Juggernaut [12] - Marauder [10] - Marauder [10] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] - Destroyer [14] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] - Destroyer [14] Widowmaker Marksman [0(4)] Battle Mechaniks (max) [5] - Battle Mechanik Officer [0(3)] This is probably what I want to play Problem is that most tournaments need 2 list, so I need second one. What you think would be most difficult opponent for my Karchev list and what you think I need as a backup plan? I am not asking about matchups where I have let's say 40% for win, but thoose realy bad when this list will struggle. I wish it could be based on Jacks or if not, on heavy infantry like Man-O-Wars, Great Bears or Doom Reavers (love how thoose looks). I don't like light infantry like Winter Guards, Kossite etc. small unit here or there fine, but not all list based on them. Thanks in advance guys!
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Post by smoothcriminal on Dec 12, 2017 12:46:21 GMT
The cookie cutter swiss army knife choice is B3. You can take him in jack theme or in wgk theme with bunch of jacks and 1 big unit of wg and several artillery pieces.
Since your Karchev can try to tackle Cryx you can have Strakhov 1 or Vlad 1 jacks for long threat jack game against Hordes.
Also I would recommend a free Yuri or manhuter rather than mechanic officer. Also min mechs+gobber tinker are better than 5pt mechanics if your merc slot is unused.
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Post by Mr.Human on Dec 13, 2017 17:34:58 GMT
I played Karchev with the following:
Dog 3 Devan 5 Juggernauts Yuri 2 Manhunters Widowmaker Marksman
Needles to say if you encounter alot of rough terrain or an opponent with speed debuffs(feat.), don´t take that list.
I agree with taking a free Yuri, he is hard to kill and excellent at denying points with. I know you didn´t ask for matchups specifically, but that list will have very specific opponents it struggles with. Hardest opponents are definetely the likes of Magnus 2, they can win the game before it even starts. Banes spam can actually hurt that list alot too, you might not get enough jacks forward to make meaningful counters, and they can easily deny the countercharge.
as a list pair, go with infantry, maybe Sorcsha, Vlad or Irusk.
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Post by vasquez21 on Dec 14, 2017 6:54:36 GMT
Thank you guys for your posts. Mr. Human your list is fine I guess but I love variety of diffrent jacks. That's why I want to play Khador, because I love their jacks. So I am almost confident with that list above. I guess I will try Yuri/Manhunter in place of officer. For my second list I decided on Vlad from other topic. Which looks like this: conflictchamber.com/#c3201b_-0K77c28shF8h758I88888aKhador Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Wolves of Winter (Vladimir 2) Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Champion [+27] - Conquest [37] Fenris [9] Greylord Forge Seer [0(4)] Koldun Lord [0(4)] Cylena Raefyll & Nyss Hunters (max) [19] - Koldun Kapitan Valachev [4] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13] Doom Reaver Swordsmen [13] Greylord Ternion [7] -------------------------------------------- About matchups vs locking armies with rough terrain (or other move penalty) or mass infantry I am going with Vlad. Versus other armies I guess I will go with Karchev
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Post by Mr.Human on Dec 14, 2017 18:52:18 GMT
There is a big difference in a free Yuri or a free Manhunter. If at all possible, get Yuri, the man can "handle" himself very well, especially against infantry. Your second list looks solid. Have you ever tried a Drakhun with Vlad2, they have a nice threat range with him
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Post by vasquez21 on Dec 15, 2017 7:21:17 GMT
Oh I haven't played Khador yet I am Trollblood player, but I always wanted to also have one faction from WM, and for me choice was Kahdor-obvious, with no other faction even close Right now I am completing my Trollblood army, and I will finally start with Khador, so I wanted two list which I can get for tournament play. I want to buy thoose list, send them to painter and then wait some time
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