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Post by welshhoppo on Dec 6, 2017 22:37:25 GMT
Kozlov, Sorscha1, Vlad3 and Old Witch2.
Are these pairings going to affect anyone or make them change their plans? I'm thinking maybe Sorscha1 and Old Witch2?
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Dec 6, 2017 23:36:49 GMT
My initial thought is OW2 and Sorscha 1. Fun...one jack heavy and the other in Wolves of Winter.
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Post by Havock on Dec 7, 2017 0:09:59 GMT
So OW2 Legion and Sorscha1 shooty?
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Post by auraco on Dec 7, 2017 3:27:05 GMT
Vlad3 is terrible, so he's out. There might be something to do with Kozlov, but I'm pretty sure the optimal pairing for this round of ADR is OW2 and Sorscha1. OW2 can play in pretty much anything, Sorscha less so but is still versatile enough to play in a couple of theme, so there is clearly something to do here. What scares me is high armor with magic protection because unless you go with Kozlov you will be relying on spell debuff for the damage buffs.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Dec 7, 2017 3:36:15 GMT
auraco, OW2 has a native debuff, and since it’s ADR your can pack A&H or Ragman which are both legit. No?
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Post by Blargaliscious on Dec 7, 2017 6:41:44 GMT
Vlad3 is terrible, so he's out. There might be something to do with Kozlov, but I'm pretty sure the optimal pairing for this round of ADR is OW2 and Sorscha1. OW2 can play in pretty much anything, Sorscha less so but is still versatile enough to play in a couple of theme, so there is clearly something to do here. What scares me is high armor with magic protection because unless you go with Kozlov you will be relying on spell debuff for the damage buffs. I wouldn't think he is "terrible." Try this list on for size: War Room Army Khador - Vlad3 Legion of Steel Theme: Legion of Steel 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Vladimir Tzepesci, Great Prince of Umbrey - WJ: +27 - War Dog - PC: 3 - Conquest - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 27) Iron Fang Kovnik - PC: 0 Kapitan Sofya Skirova - PC: 0 Uhlan Kovnik Markov - PC: 7 Iron Fang Uhlans - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Great Bears of the Gallowswood - Volkov, Kolsk, & Yarovich: 9 Black Dragons - Leader & 9 Grunts: 17 - Black Dragon Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0 Iron Fang Pikemen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 THEME: Legion of Steel
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Post by borderprince on Dec 7, 2017 6:53:08 GMT
As things stand, I think OW2 and Sorcha1.
I think Kozlov could work with either of those two if wanted. Take Kozlov as the high-ARM/boxes list with ARM cracking, OW2/Sorcha1 as anti-Cryx and others. Kozlov with 2 units of MoW STs in Armored Korps is quite a nice ARM skew with Ragman and Fury for hitting power, but until we get the new MoW models, there isn't much benefit to ADR in that theme I think. Maybe something in Legion of Steel, but OW2 probably does that theme better.
In the ADR format, I think Sorcha1 and OW2 benefit more.
The problem auraco flags is that debuffs and A&H rely on being able to hit your preferred target with a spell. But if your target is spell-warded, near to Orin Midwinter (who, for an older fellow, really gets around), or otherwise protected from spells (Menoth jacks, for example) those key spells can be stopped. Kozlov and Ragman don't suffer this problem because they don't target the enemy with the spells. So if you're worried about the combination of high ARM/boxes and spell resistance, Kozlov is someone to consider.
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Post by Netherby on Dec 7, 2017 12:25:49 GMT
OW2 doesn't really need to land CoS, she has crazy focus efficiency so you can just send more jacks at the high armour things. Why include A&H&V when that's most of the cost of just taking another Juggernaut that could have 3 focus on it? Of course given you're playing ADR, you may as well include in them on your side board anyway...
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Post by auraco on Dec 7, 2017 12:33:56 GMT
What borderprince said. Try going through a Woldwrath with Baldur2's armor spell with an OW2 list, it's not going to be easy, even with siege weapon a maraudeur will only do an average of 3 damage per hit to that Woldwrath, not exactly what I would call reliable when the thing has 58 boxes. Ayana & holt are also often necessary to provide magic weapons if you are playing a theme other than Wolves of winter, so it's not exactly a matter of choice but of necessity. If we had an easier way to get magic weapon in faction (say the forge seer having guidance) Ayana&holt would probably mostly disapear from our lists.
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Post by welshhoppo on Dec 7, 2017 12:44:40 GMT
I'd love for the Forge Seer to dish out magical attacks.
And Vlad3 isn't that bad. Sure he plays like a worse Vlad2, and sure he has no real feat to speak of. And sure he has no major damage to accuracy buffs. And sure his weapons aren't as cool as Vlads sword. And aure he's easier to hit due to his size.....
Like I said, not all bad.
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Post by borderprince on Dec 7, 2017 13:43:46 GMT
And Vlad3 isn't that bad. Sure he plays like a worse Vlad2, and sure he has no real feat to speak of. And sure he has no major damage to accuracy buffs. And sure his weapons aren't as cool as Vlads sword. And aure he's easier to hit due to his size..... Like I said, not all bad. But he's on a horse! That's got to count for something. Right? One actual improvement over other Vlads - he runs Drago better than them. And Drago is the best jack model PP have made. Shame about his rules.
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Post by auraco on Dec 7, 2017 15:39:32 GMT
As Vlad gets more epic, his melee prowess keep going down... And no don't get me started on relying on bloodquench. That is even before considering that the theme forces really screwed him over with the cav models he wants in four different theme... And does he really run drago better than Vlad1? Feat and S&P are as good as it gets for drago, better than infernal machine that brings his threat range to a very unimpressive 10''... Also I prefer Ruin's model to Drago's model. So yeah... ADR isn't going to save Vlad3.
It annoys me that they just keep the battlebox casters in the ADR rooster... Some battlebox casters are juste better than other, and Kozlov is not exactly on the higher side of the battlebox caster power level.
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Post by borderprince on Dec 7, 2017 16:29:21 GMT
And does he really run drago better than Vlad1? Feat and S&P are as good as it gets for drago, better than infernal machine that brings his threat range to a very unimpressive 10''... Murderous (Infernal Machine) + Bezerk (Drago) + Side-step (Feat) = Pac-Man. Without using any Focus a Vlad 3 Drago can chew through a lot of infantry if they're in the right place. 2" side-step + 1" melee is a lot of potential ground. Anthing other than MoW STs in Shield Wall and/or ARM buff are likely to be chewed up. On other Vlads Drago isn't much (if at all) better than a Juggernaut, but on Vlad3 at least he does something different, and does it well. No accounting for taste.
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Post by crimsyn on Dec 7, 2017 17:09:18 GMT
I don’t think Kozlov is that bad. It is going to depend on how our CID and new releases go, but he is pretty good at running MoW. His biggest sin is being kind of boring.
That said, for new players, I think it is good to have a battlebox, or at least a simple, straightforward caster in the ADR for ADR-only tourneys.
Vlad3, I just wish you could run a Horselords theme — all the khador cavalry, plus maybe Alexia2. And that the sprint element of his feat could stack with reposition. I don’t think he’s terrible, more that he’s overshadowed and doesn’t have the right theme yet.
Overall, it’s a good ADR. OW2 is a great caster and can run basically all of our themes.
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Post by hocestbellum on Dec 7, 2017 18:03:37 GMT
I don’t think Kozlov is that bad. It is going to depend on how our CID and new releases go, but he is pretty good at running MoW. His biggest sin is being kind of boring. That said, for new players, I think it is good to have a battlebox, or at least a simple, straightforward caster in the ADR for ADR-only tourneys. Vlad3, I just wish you could run a Horselords theme — all the khador cavalry, plus maybe Alexia2. And that the sprint element of his feat could stack with reposition. I don’t think he’s terrible, more that he’s overshadowed and doesn’t have the right theme yet. Overall, it’s a good ADR. OW2 is a great caster and can run basically all of our themes. I really like Kozlov. I've always felt that if 'boring' is the biggest negative people can come up with he must be pretty damn solid. I would opine that he's a bit focus starved, too, what with having three upkeeps, two of which you want running / being hotswapped. If his feat gave free charges too he'd be an absolute champ. In the meantime I'll just have to settle for being able to buff damage, speed, and arm, along with giving out pathfinder, steady and reposition. However will I cope? I'd probably pick him and Sorscha from that list.
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