MKIII Edition Change WTF?!?!? Salt

And then they had to make Madrak 2 not benefit from his own feat as he was busted...real thematic. Its almost as if they did not think the swap through properly. I despair at PP sometimes

Didn't get to play OP Madrak2, but I know from many games of mkII that Madrak1 could often surf through most of an infantry swarm and put multiple attacks into a caster.  It was a bit tense, since he only had the 5 fury, and would often spend some of it on the way.  Then heavy arm and spacing were about the only things that stopped it.  With premeasuring the spacing question becomes less important.  Even with heavy ARM, I'd often bring along Mulg who could do something similar to Madrak1 AND often surf through a heavy or two.

Personally I've been wondering about Calandra, who was pretty bad-assed before, and for some reason got a bump in Fury.  Not to trigger more comments about "why are we asking for a nerf in Trolls", but she seemed pretty darned good in mkII with Fury 7, and without the Knot(s) with soothing song.

Man, this is such an odd post haha. It's like a trip down memory lane from the start of mk3 saved in a time capsule.

Point 1 and 2) These have both been beaten to death. Regardless of how you feel neither will ever change and honestly I dont think it really matters. For the most part the only one of the lights now that doesnt really have a place is the Impaler, and that is only because its simply too expensive. If it was 9pts it would be great. Everything else though especially after the CID changes is great, most of my lists have a few lights.

Point 3) Yeah, Madrak 1 was my fave mk2 caster. I loved playing him and lived for getting my Crusher feat turn. That being said the change of feat thematically totally makes sense. At least now the 3 Madraks have very distinct play styles and all are totally viable. Sure Madrak 1 lost crusher...but who cares? He is insanely good now (all 3 are really good actually).

Point 4) Everyone was bummed about prayers...then you realize you get 10 Warriors for 11pts. The are amazing with many casters, especially Madrak 1. 10 ARM 19 guys in CC with DEF 14 and no knock down and tough for only 11pts? Um...yes please. After using them I have to say my mind is totally changed on them and I really do like where they are. The one point I think everyone would grant you though are the cabers. Worst weapon attachment in the game. I would never ever use them in their current state.

The biggest thing though is you simply cant look at how things were in MK2 and compare them to how they are now. Its a different game. Stuffed changed, time to get over it and move on. As many have said the best thing you can do for yourself is actually play the game. I mean the one change I was the most down on was the EBDT. I *hated* the change initially. I could never understand why on earth you would ever take it over a mauler or anything else. Then I started using him (this is even before the point reduction) and its now in most of my lists. Maybe my fave beast we have. Warmachine in my opinion is in the best place its ever been in terms of balance and fun. I think Trolls are a in a great place and will just keep getting better as we go through more CIDs.

Im surprised at "why" people are upset about rage. Its not that it makes list building more static (this is what would annoy me - i hate auto includes).

But people seem to be writing the mauler off as support... huh?

Its a 15pt heavy that mulches other heavies. Thats a model that does work. Whenever i think about supporr i think paingiver beast handlers, willbreakere, extollers etc models that rarely do things by themselves but enable other models to do things.

The mauler is essentially the damage buff version of the titan gladiator. Not a bad thing to be. Does it make list building more static? Well yeah but its not 15pts wasted on "support"