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Post by crippler on Dec 1, 2017 11:25:13 GMT
Does Vyros 2 do enough for sentinels to run a LoD army? Would it look maybe something like this? Is losing the Marshall benefit worth it because of the benefit of Synergy?
War Room Army
Retribution of Scyrah - Vyros 2 Dawnguard
Theme: Legions of Dawn 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Vyros, Incissar of the Dawnguard - WJ: +27 - Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Griffon - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 3) - Imperatus - PC: 22
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Dawnguard Sentinel Scyir - PC: 0
Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18 - Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0 - Soulless Escort - PC: 1 Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18 - Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 - Soulless Escort - PC: 1
THEME: Legions of Dawn
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Post by elladan52 on Dec 1, 2017 11:35:40 GMT
Swap all the griffons for harpies and I think you have yourself a very strong list.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Dec 1, 2017 15:08:52 GMT
Personally I think it looks like a great list even with the griffons. The extra 2-4 inches of threat is always super nice and against non-chain weapons Griffons are just a tad more durable with close to equal hitting power. I think it could do well.
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jsavard
Baby's First Wargame
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Post by jsavard on Dec 1, 2017 17:37:53 GMT
He doesn't do much for sentinels honestly... they already have relentless charge and decel alone is rarely enough to keep them alive vs sustained shooting. I dont really like LoD currently, but i think it would be at least be more coherent to play it with Kaelyssa, Issyria or even Helynna
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Post by crippler on Dec 1, 2017 18:51:27 GMT
He doesn't do much for sentinels honestly... they already have relentless charge and decel alone is rarely enough to keep them alive vs sustained shooting. I dont really like LoD currently, but i think it would be at least be more coherent to play it with Kaelyssa, Issyria or even Helynna So what do you suggest a vyros 2 list should look like?
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Post by elladan52 on Dec 1, 2017 19:13:27 GMT
Harpies as far as the eye can see!
This is only slightly a joke. The loss in melee threat range is more than made up by the incredible synergy with bird's eye and Rof 2 RAT 6 shots that hit as hard as griffons in melee. Vyros never needs to cast easy rider, because they never lose flight, unlike the griffons that can lose pathfinder.
It's actually probably better to have a bunch of harpies, Imperatus, and a couple of sirens for that sweet, sweet pow 19 magical/blessed melee attack. Then just take it in whatever theme looks good, maybe bering 20 points of troops to get a free model, maybe not.
Vyros is actually great with dawnguard, making them arm 19 every turn and 22 for one turn against ranged attacks is acutely very good. He also has veteran leader, which is really good on invictors. You might want to try a bunch of vrye lights with a unit of invictors for longer range threat at rat 7. Or, dare I say it, destors? Maybe? Probably not though. But maybe.
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Post by crippler on Dec 1, 2017 19:41:30 GMT
Destors after CiD. Invictors are interesting since we are sort of making a gun line.
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Post by elladan52 on Dec 1, 2017 19:42:59 GMT
Destors after CiD. Invictors are interesting since we are sort of making a gun line. They are actually pretty ok now.
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dagowit
Junior Strategist
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Post by dagowit on Dec 2, 2017 21:16:55 GMT
How about the Houseguard theme instead? Halberdiers go to ARM 20 under Deceleration and desperately need Pathfinder, so I think I would rather run Houseguard than Dawnguard with Vyros2 (unless we are discussing Destors). It makes me a little sad since Dawnguard would be much more fluffy but such things happen.
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Post by psycomonky on Dec 3, 2017 5:01:46 GMT
the entire army benefits from the +2 in deployment from LOD. Only the halbs would benefit int he houseguard theme.
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dagowit
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Post by dagowit on Dec 3, 2017 8:54:24 GMT
the entire army benefits from the +2 in deployment from LOD. Only the halbs would benefit int he houseguard theme. Absolutely. I know it came across as me being anti-Dawnguard, which isn't entirely true. All the talk of Vyros2 with infantry just made me wonder which infantry unit(s) would benefit the most from his abilities (Easy Rider and Deceleration primarily) and Halberdiers seemed like good candidates. No matter which infantry approach you go with, however, I think Vyros2 does more for infantry than he is normally given credit for (Synergy seems to completely overshadow the infantry benefits he brings - and that is a pity). Back in mk2, I used to run Vyros2 with a full unit of Sentinels and they offered decent clearing potential and normally generated an absurd number of feat moves. I'm sure the approach is still valid.
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Post by Kallas on Dec 3, 2017 13:43:06 GMT
*Dusts self off* Destors with Vyros2 are solid. Add Harpies in there...
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Post by crippler on Dec 3, 2017 14:02:50 GMT
*Dusts self off* Destors with Vyros2 are solid. Add Harpies in there... +1 like for old but relevant meme content.
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Post by crippler on Dec 6, 2017 12:36:17 GMT
So one of the questions I still have around this list - is losing the theme force jack marshal benefit worth it to instead have the jack benefit from being in Vyros battle group (synergy). In my head the answer is yes but it certainly doesn’t have the same raw power
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Post by Kallas on Dec 6, 2017 12:49:48 GMT
Vyros2 is one of those casters that doesn't want to have jacks out of the battlegroup. Even if he isn't fuelling then all in a given turn, having more gives redundancy as losses are incurred, and more flexibility as to which jacks to fuel once Synergy caps out.
So yeah, ignore the Jack Marshal bonus for casters like Vyros2. Probably also Vyros1 most of the time.
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