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Nov 29, 2017 2:37:52 GMT
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Post by cayterpius on Nov 29, 2017 2:37:52 GMT
Best themed variation for these lists?
Focus is assassination and anti-infantry.
I do not care for the stone (rebel without a cause, I know) and prefer to avoid spammy "double x, then double y" lists. One of something is enough for me, unless it's Gremlin Swarms - I can't get enough of those little buggers.
Anyways, theme me, help me, convince me, please.
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Trollblood - Grissel Assassins II
Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army
Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels - WB: +27 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 5 - Dozer & Smigg - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16 - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15
Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3 Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3
Dhunian Knot - Leader & 2 Grunts: 6 Pyg Burrowers - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 Trollkin Runeshapers - Leader & 2 Grunts: 9
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Trollblood - Jarl Anti-Dudeswarm II
Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army
Jarl Skuld, Devil of the Thornwood - WB: +30 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 5 - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Storm Troll - PC: 9 - Pyre Troll - PC: 8 - Winter Troll - PC: 8
Braylen Wanderheart, Trollkin Outlaw - PC: 5 Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3 Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3 Northkin Shaman - PC: 4
Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Trollkin Highwaymen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10
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mazog
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Nov 29, 2017 3:15:35 GMT
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Post by mazog on Nov 29, 2017 3:15:35 GMT
With the stuff you lose taking jarl into SotN, you can buy max raiders which exert terrifying scenario pressure with quicken. You'll also get one or two free solos. The other looked like PoD at a glance. You might try brigands for the burrowers. It's not a great trade unless you can get the Warlord in, but it's a speed bump with dig in.
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Post by Trollock on Nov 29, 2017 7:00:31 GMT
I do not care for the stone (rebel without a cause, I know) and prefer to avoid spammy "double x, then double y" lists. One of something is enough for me, unless it's Gremlin Swarms - I can't get enough of those little buggers. Anyways, theme me, help me, convince me, please. The reason to play a theme list is very simple. It is better. You get free stuff and some bonuses. Will you accept the argument that "this list will win more" as a reason to play themed? Otherwise, the exercise is pretty pointless. If you accept the "its better"-argument, you should probably start to consider things like "double X" or the kriel strone because... it is often better.
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 29, 2017 8:36:48 GMT
To add on to what Trollock is saying.
Even if you don't want the armour buff on that Grissel2 list, you probably want the stealth removal offered by the stone so that, that list can assassinate better.
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Nov 29, 2017 17:34:07 GMT
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Post by cayterpius on Nov 29, 2017 17:34:07 GMT
I'm really not arguing about it, just struggling with themes personally and asking for some advice.
What theme would be best for what I'm trying to do?
What would these lists look like in those themes?
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Post by Trollock on Nov 29, 2017 21:31:27 GMT
conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b7e5T0r0r9D0hjqhm7d6Rfp4g6nTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Grissel 2) Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels [+27] - Dire Troll Blitzer [16] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Gremlin Swarm [3] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [6] Farrow Razorback Crew [5] Trollkin Runeshapers [9] Im basing this off your list, rather than my personal preference. You get basically the same battle group, but with an extra axer to threaten further, and to put Discord on (for free) and jam in to any nearby infantry you do not want to deal with. You only get one gremlin swarm obviously, and your burrowers become a razorback crew (which is amazing for grissel 2). You also get whelps (so your list actually functions for more than one round) and Janissa (to make a hill to stand on, or to disengage your things for more shooting, or simply for an extra POW 14 attack. The Jarl list could be recreated either in SotN (but that theme is even more based on the stone to be playable) or possibly as a PoD brick like so: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b0g5T0r9D7h0h04jqhmfJ6Rfp0OflTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Skuld 1) Jarl Skuld, Devil of the Thornwood [+30] - Dire Troll Blitzer [16] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Winter Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Gremlin Swarm [3] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [6] Farrow Brigands (max) [15] - Farrow Brigand Warlord [4] Your units are replaced by the Brigands. They do not exactly replicate what your units do, but they add model count to the list, and they are a solid unit over all. You also get the DK who are amazing for Jarl, since they allow him to reroll damage rolls of magic bullet, making them way more reliable at killing ARM 14 5 wound solos. Since there are no fire eaters to light up, the pyre is upgraded to a blitzer. He is a better fighter, and better at shooting too. He works well with any of the upkeeps. You also get the upkeeps out for free, so if you go first, Jarl can cast 3 Rushes to get your stuff up the board faster. If you go second, he can spend his stack on magic bullets and shooting stuff rather than getting upkeeps out. You also get the whelps in there so that your beasts dont frenzy all the time, or to add to the DEF skew on the feat. effective DEF 15 against living beasts means that legion melee lists still care a whole lot about your feat.
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Nov 30, 2017 16:34:11 GMT
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Post by cayterpius on Nov 30, 2017 16:34:11 GMT
War Room Army
Trollblood - Grissel Assassins II
Theme: The Power of Dhunia 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Grissel Bloodsong, Marshal of the Kriels - WB: +27 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Dire Troll Blitzer - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 - Swamp Troll - PC: 8 - Night Troll - PC: 7
Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3 Northkin Shaman - PC: 0 Northkin Shaman - PC: 0
Dhunian Knot - Leader & 2 Grunts: 6 Trollkin Runeshapers - Leader & 2 Grunts: 9 Farrow Razorback Crew - Gunner & Grunt: 5
THEME: The Power of Dhunia ---
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Trollblood - Jarl Anti-Dudeswarm II
Theme: Storm of the North 1 / 1 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Jarl Skuld, Devil of the Thornwood - WB: +30 - Trollkin Runebearer - PC: 0 - Dire Troll Bomber - PC: 19 (Battlegroup Points Used: 19) - Dire Troll Mauler - PC: 15 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) - Earthborn Dire Troll - PC: 14 - Storm Troll - PC: 9 - Pyre Troll - PC: 8
Gremlin Swarm - PC: 3
Northkin Fire Eaters - Leader, Trollkin Grunt, and Pyg Grunt: 7 Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Northkin Bear Handler & Battle Bears - Bear Handler & 2 Battle Bears: 10 Pyg Lookouts - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
THEME: Storm of the North ---
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Post by Trollock on Nov 30, 2017 20:11:18 GMT
I do not think either list will function with no whelps...
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mazog
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Nov 30, 2017 23:45:28 GMT
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Post by mazog on Nov 30, 2017 23:45:28 GMT
My rule of thumb is a bomber needs one whelp per turn that any other beast is expected to be useful or you want to camp a stack. It's a little more flexible on the fury 7-8 crowd, but for most of our casters the bomber will just about fill you up.
How does that compare to your experience, tournament crowd?
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Post by Cryptix on Dec 1, 2017 5:12:29 GMT
prefer to avoid spammy "double x, then double y" lists. One of something is enough for me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MY SYMMETRY IS RUINED GET OUT!
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Dec 1, 2017 10:50:13 GMT
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Post by ninjapete on Dec 1, 2017 10:50:13 GMT
Take the Shamans out of the Grissel2 list and swap in Janissa and Whelps instead.
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