shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 1, 2017 2:42:06 GMT
ho lordy... that was a joke. no gorman warcaster. there is an alchemist warcaster called sylvestro spoiled at wmw that looks like him. go join the CG facebook group for pics. the rest of the thread is goofballs speculating about something that already exists as though PP wouldn't want continuity between their games. and also me providing actual info and trolling them! i am a helpful troll! Yeah PP always maintains continuity between games. That's why the power field works the same in MK3 as in every other edition and both the RPGs. well, good sir, that is not a correct understanding of what continuity means. but since i am helpful troll i will help you by explaining that the fact that warcasters in warcaster armor have power fields in all versions of the game and the rpg instead of power fields in one game and personal defense lasers in another in another is an example of continuity. or, more to the topic at hand, all versions of all characters in all PP games in the IK are the same. for example, no version of stryker in any game is ever depicted as gun mage and no version of sorscha is ever depicted as a bear. ergo, if a second version of ashlynn already exists, it is 99.9% likely to be the same in all games. have i been helpful enough?
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Post by gobber on Dec 1, 2017 3:14:59 GMT
In the fluff Warcasters don't seem to entirely forget spells like they apparently do in game. Stryker casts earthquake at least three times (often in combo with mag's obliteration). There's an amusing attempt at justification where Stryker3 thinks back to the defensive style of his earlier days before he switched to aggressive strategies in order to cast arcane shield.
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Post by shoe on Dec 1, 2017 3:27:46 GMT
In the fluff Warcasters don't seem to entirely forget spells like they apparently do in game. Stryker casts earthquake at least three times (often in combo with mag's obliteration). There's an amusing attempt at justification where Stryker3 thinks back to the defensive style of his earlier days before he switched to aggressive strategies in order to cast arcane shield. aye. caine is caine2 in blood of kings and caine1 in mark of caine.
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 1, 2017 6:37:50 GMT
or, more to the topic at hand, all versions of all characters in all PP games in the IK are the same. for example, no version of stryker in any game is ever depicted as gun mage and no version of sorscha is ever depicted as a bear. ergo, if a second version of ashlynn already exists, it is 99.9% likely to be the same in all games. have i been helpful enough? Though a few have gone from being Infantry to Cavalry in their upgrades, and a couple characters became more monstrous in their transitions (Sturgis, Kromac, Kallus, and Thagrosh to name a few).
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Post by Soul Samurai on Dec 1, 2017 6:44:03 GMT
Or less in the case of Ghyrrshyld (Goreshade for those who don't hate vowels)?
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Post by Xintas on Dec 1, 2017 14:27:10 GMT
"Although Stryker, Ashlynn, Magnus and their warjacks fought as one, Stryker was only able to use his arcane shield spell to protect one of them even though earlier he had used it on a bunch of gun mages at once if that makes sense." I'm in love with this and want to read an entire novel written like this. Its like self aware bad fanfiction, and that's fantastic.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Dec 1, 2017 19:04:41 GMT
or, more to the topic at hand, all versions of all characters in all PP games in the IK are the same. for example, no version of stryker in any game is ever depicted as gun mage and no version of sorscha is ever depicted as a bear. ergo, if a second version of ashlynn already exists, it is 99.9% likely to be the same in all games. have i been helpful enough? Though a few have gone from being Infantry to Cavalry in their upgrades, and a couple characters became more monstrous in their transitions (Sturgis, Kromac, Kallus, and Thagrosh to name a few). so long as the version of the character is depicted the same across all product lines there is continuity. goreshade4 will not be a cryx caster or a warjack if he is ever in high command ashlynn2 is right there on the card with art they paid somebody to draw and a new appellation
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Post by Charistoph on Dec 1, 2017 20:18:36 GMT
Though a few have gone from being Infantry to Cavalry in their upgrades, and a couple characters became more monstrous in their transitions (Sturgis, Kromac, Kallus, and Thagrosh to name a few). so long as the version of the character is depicted the same across all product lines there is continuity. goreshade4 will not be a cryx caster or a warjack if he is ever in high command ashlynn2 is right there on the card with art they paid somebody to draw and a new appellation And the models do not always follow the art, though that has been changing during more and more releases, lately. Just don't get yourself hard-locked in to one consideration.
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Post by Lanz on Dec 1, 2017 22:31:17 GMT
Pretty sure that isn't Ashlynn2, whatever the speculation. Her gear and look is identical to her current iteration, and every epic caster gets at least SOMETHING changed about them.
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Post by shoe on Dec 2, 2017 21:05:49 GMT
Pretty sure that isn't Ashlynn2, whatever the speculation. Her gear and look is identical to her current iteration, and every epic caster gets at least SOMETHING changed about them. now dat is a mostly valid point, tho butcher1 and 2 are the same.
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Post by Lanz on Dec 2, 2017 22:12:45 GMT
Pretty sure that isn't Ashlynn2, whatever the speculation. Her gear and look is identical to her current iteration, and every epic caster gets at least SOMETHING changed about them. now dat is a mostly valid point, tho butcher1 and 2 are the same. There are some minor differences, like the skulls hanging off his axe, the spikes on the back of his gauntlets, scar on his head, etc. Some of the casters are really similar, like Caine1 and Caine2, who might have some differences, but I can't honestly tell. Ashlynn, though? Her armor is distinctly-plain. Simple iron color, smooth surfaces, no real symbols or extra decoration. Any changes, even slight ones, would stand out, and that card art definitely looks the same as before. Heck, even then, comparing her original sculpt to her resculpt makes the resculpt look like an epic with the flag and the new hair, and even that is still normal ashlynn. Even her title in the card doesn't necessarily mean much since, unlike many casters, her wargame mini has no title or rank, just her name. Even the fluff naming her as a 'marshal' isn't included in her wargame identity. With so much disparity in how she's presented, from a radically-different resculpt, to changing titles, to the fact that she has always been the 'heart of the resistance', I wouldn't at all be surprised if the high command card was just regular Ashlynn1.
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Post by shoe on Dec 3, 2017 0:31:28 GMT
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Post by droopingpuppy on Dec 3, 2017 7:50:31 GMT
By the spoilers of Cygnar book, there is some chance that she shifts the faction by add Partisan[Cygnar], but consider the alliance between the resistance and Protectorate it is somewhat problematic to do so. Also, while Cygnar fights for Llael, but they did abandon Llael after its capital was fallen so Ashleynn don't like Cygnar personally.
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Post by sgregorbmmd on Dec 3, 2017 10:35:20 GMT
By the spoilers of Cygnar book, there is some chance that she shifts the faction by add Partisan[Cygnar], but consider the alliance between the resistance and Protectorate it is somewhat problematic to do so. Also, while Cygnar fights for Llael, but they did abandon Llael after its capital was fallen so Ashleynn don't like Cygnar personally. I hope not. Unless they give her two distinct cards like Old Witch 2, history tells us to be wary of dual faction casters.
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Post by gobber on Dec 3, 2017 19:16:06 GMT
By the spoilers of Cygnar book, there is some chance that she shifts the faction by add Partisan[Cygnar], but consider the alliance between the resistance and Protectorate it is somewhat problematic to do so. Also, while Cygnar fights for Llael, but they did abandon Llael after its capital was fallen so Ashleynn don't like Cygnar personally. Ashlynn's recent displeasure with Cygnar goes a bit beyond that. She's on alright terms with Stryker but Cygnar's less benevolent under Julius... - Cygnar controls the llaelese heir Kaetlyn di Martyn (married to Leto), who has been entirely inactive except as a pawn. Ash says she's got one generation to establish a free Llael otherwise the llaelese crown gets subsumed by the cygnaran royal family, and seems entirely willing to go to war over this down the road despite all their cooperation in Acts of War 2. Ash hasn't met Kate so this could change but outlook for cooperation once Khador is pushed out isn't great.
- Without involving the resistance, Cygnar just invaded Llael in an attempt to "free" it for their own future control. They then resorted to war crimes in taking Riversmet; an explosive alchemical gas ("devil's gasp") blew up half the town and gassed thousands of Khadorans (and any remaining civilians). Ashlynn isn't too keen on Cygnaran style liberation.
Ash views Ord as the only nation that doesn't really have interests counter to Llael's whose help she needs against Khador now and as a counterweight to Cygnar in the future (Protectorate is mostly pulling out). Bringing Ord into the war is the impetus for going to great lengths to rescue the leaders of the Crucible Guard. In addition to being a alchemical Jekyll/Hyde monster warcaster, Alyce di Morray (nee Cathor) is a relative of the Ordic king.
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