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Post by elricaltovilla on Nov 28, 2017 19:52:01 GMT
I think she does have one of the best guns in the game. The fact that it's only RNG 12 with far strike keeps her from outright clinching the title.
I think she just really needs a bomber and maybe an axer to maximize her threat. 3 boostable POW 14s is good, but an extra 2 POW 16s really ensures that her target is dead. Maybe toss in Janissa's hill-on-a-stick so that she can get elevation.
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Post by grabsnikk on Nov 28, 2017 20:07:43 GMT
I have tried this before, its often not that great because while +2 RAT is good, the loss of +4 RNG from snipe often means you cannot shoot at what you really want to without moving Grissel up into a dangerous situation. Wow, where did my brain go? Completely blanked on the whole one animus at a time deal. Not to mention, thinking about it again now, the one FURY would probably be better spent boosting anyhow. So scrap D&S or still worth it for the one RNG14 POW14 shot he throws out? Considering that to play Grissel2 with Dozer & Smigg you need to play out of theme and given that he only has a ROF 1 inaccurate gun, I'm pretty sure you are better off taking a Bomber who is better in pretty much every way and is allowed in themes.
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Post by joedj on Nov 29, 2017 1:33:44 GMT
Best gun in faction? Yes. Jarl's is great for solo elimination, but for assassination and/or controlled deletion of enemy assets, Grissel2's is the best.
Gris2+POD+KSB-SSE has given me some of my least stressful/easiest wins in MK3. KD gun with re-rolls (DK puppet master) and anti-Stealth tech makes for a large area of no-entry zone for opposing warcasters. I don't play her when I want to glean/earn Control Points. The addition of the Ice Troll may make my Gris2 lists also have a (cheap) Stationary option for those Steady warcasters.
Best gun in Hordes? Hmm. Probably. Lylyth2 (MK2) used to be THE boogieman for scariest assassination threat, but I haven't seen her in venue much in MK3.
Best gun in the game? I don't think so, since no-KD spells can negate her greatest force multiplier and there are more no-KD spells/effects when you broaden the scope of comparison/competition. Perhaps why she's not making a killing in the tourney scene?
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Post by greenjello on Nov 29, 2017 2:29:53 GMT
Best gun in Hordes? Hmm. Probably. Lylyth2 (MK2) used to be THE boogieman for scariest assassination threat, but I haven't seen her in venue much in MK3. Best gun in the game? I don't think so, since no-KD spells can negate her greatest force multiplier and there are more no-KD spells/effects when you broaden the scope of comparison/competition. Perhaps why she's not making a killing in the tourney scene? Lylyth2 has lost shadow pack, and Decimation no longer gives snipe. Those two loses on a model that doesn't do much to support her army might explain the lack of appearance. I don't believe Legion has Far Strike. So with the change to her feat, Lylyth2 now limited to RNG12, same a Grissel 2, POW 12 vs 14. Lylyth2 also has Pin Cushion, which is nice, I believe that effectively add +2 damage, and to hit. Lylyth2 has eyeless sight, which fixes some DEF tech, and RAT8, which fixes a lot of other things. However she's limited to 2 shots, one of which she has to pay for, unless it's feat turn, at which point their even. Grissel2 has her choice of ammo, and Sprays can fix a lot of the same problems that Eyeless sight can fix. It and the AOE 3 have a much better potential for clearing a path for follow up attacks, charge attacks, or other nastiness. Quake is much nicer for supporting her army, since Troll shooting is pretty average at best on the attack roll. Maybe it's my ignorance of Legion beasts, but I'd take Grissel2's gun over Lylyth2's any day. I'd be surprised if Legion has a non-character shooting beast as good as the bomber.
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Post by gobber on Nov 29, 2017 2:33:45 GMT
Best gun in Hordes? Hmm. Probably. Lylyth2 (MK2) used to be THE boogieman for scariest assassination threat, but I haven't seen her in venue much in MK3. Best gun in the game? I don't think so, since no-KD spells can negate her greatest force multiplier and there are more no-KD spells/effects when you broaden the scope of comparison/competition. Perhaps why she's not making a killing in the tourney scene? I don't believe Legion has Far Strike. So with the change to her feat, Lylyth2 now limited to RNG12, same a Grissel 2, POW 12 vs 14. It's on the Nephilim Bolt Thrower.
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Post by greenjello on Nov 29, 2017 4:18:15 GMT
I don't believe Legion has Far Strike. So with the change to her feat, Lylyth2 now limited to RNG12, same a Grissel 2, POW 12 vs 14. It's on the Nephilim Bolt Thrower. Thanks, I clearly need to learn to use the War Room filter better, or go to Battle College instead. Still, on a Fury 5 caster, even Fury 1 for far strike is a bit expensive, and cuts down on her ability to boost to hit.
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Post by gobber on Nov 29, 2017 4:53:23 GMT
Lylyth3 also has a rof3 gun which is one of the few guns in hordes that's likely grissel's equal despite only being pow 12: - +1 rat, base range 12 before far striking
- 12" trample+dual shot gives that gun a 28" threat range
- Blood Boon gives her free wind wall or frost hammer casts
- Stationary-on-hit via the feat
- Ignores clouds, conceal, and stealth via eyeless sight
- Able to freely shoot out of melee via dual attack
- Can use wraithbane to ignore def/arm buffs
I suppose the Glacier King, Bomber, Mammoth, Azrael, Storm Raptor, and Celestial Fulcrum bear mention as potentially comparable, which only speaks to the quality of grissel's gun.
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