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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 28, 2017 21:12:10 GMT
The thing that confuses me is that the purpose of this thread was to have a fun community list building with a condition of the most expensive. I don't understand why you're so against this thread, merely because you don't agree with it. Why do we have to censor out thread fir the purpose of optimal marketing to new players. lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/68836lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/68935lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/69043lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/69069Yes, this is a fun little exercise, but while it will help maintain the fun for the people in the community it will also act as a deterrent to new people coming into the community by promoting negative aspects of our hobby - the cost. Any caveats and conditions you put on this activity do not matter because the only thing that the potential new recruit will remember is the big cost highlighted in the posts. 1) Miniature wargaming requires other people for you to play against - it is not a solo activity. 2) The more other people that play, the more potential there is to find an opponent to play against and have fun. 3) The more people that play the better the community for the game will be. 3A) The easier it is to attract new players. 3B) The easier it is to find an opponent. 3C) The more likely that the game company will continue to support the game. 4) As time goes on other people that play will stop playing for whatever reason - the community will lose a member. 5) For the community to thrive new players need to be added at a rate equal to or greater than the loss rate. 5A) If the loss rate is greater than the growth rate in your area you have less fun. 5B) If the loss rate is greater than the growth rate globally the game company will stop supporting the game, making it less fun for all of the players, either by discontinuing the game (GW's "Epic") or shutting down operations (Agents of Gaming with "Babylon 5 Wars"). 6) The best way to improve the growth rate of payers is to adopt basic marketing practices. 6A) The game company can advertise. 6B) The community can showcase the positives of playing the game. 6C) The community can refrain from highlighting negative aspects - like potential costs in very expensive list builds. Does this make it more clear? I'm not trying to censor you guys - you guys can type about whatever you want! I just think it's not a good idea to accentuate the costs, like this thread does, if we want to maximize the number of new players, which is in all of our interests if we want to continue playing the game in a thriving community.
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Post by W0lfBane on Nov 28, 2017 21:33:40 GMT
The thing that confuses me is that the purpose of this thread was to have a fun community list building with a condition of the most expensive. I don't understand why you're so against this thread, merely because you don't agree with it. Why do we have to censor out thread fir the purpose of optimal marketing to new players. lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/68836lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/68935lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/69043lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/69069Yes, this is a fun little exercise, but while it will help maintain the fun for the people in the community it will also act as a deterrent to new people coming into the community by promoting negative aspects of our hobby - the cost. Any caveats and conditions you put on this activity do not matter because the only thing that the potential new recruit will remember is the big cost highlighted in the posts. 1) Miniature wargaming requires other people for you to play against - it is not a solo activity. 2) The more other people that play, the more potential there is to find an opponent to play against and have fun. 3) The more people that play the better the community for the game will be. 3A) The easier it is to attract new players. 3B) The easier it is to find an opponent. 3C) The more likely that the game company will continue to support the game. 4) As time goes on other people that play will stop playing for whatever reason - the community will lose a member. 5) For the community to thrive new players need to be added at a rate equal to or greater than the loss rate. 5A) If the loss rate is greater than the growth rate in your area you have less fun. 5B) If the loss rate is greater than the growth rate globally the game company will stop supporting the game, making it less fun for all of the players, either by discontinuing the game (GW's "Epic") or shutting down operations (Agents of Gaming with "Babylon 5 Wars"). 6) The best way to improve the growth rate of payers is to adopt basic marketing practices. 6A) The game company can advertise. 6B) The community can showcase the positives of playing the game. 6C) The community can refrain from highlighting negative aspects - like potential costs in very expensive list builds. Does this make it more clear? I'm not trying to censor you guys - you guys can type about whatever you want! I just think it's not a good idea to accentuate the costs, like this thread does, if we want to maximize the number of new players, which is in all of our interests if we want to continue playing the game in a thriving community. No it was clear. I was just hoping to highlight that your insistence that the only way you can grow the community is by applying marketomg practices was a bit hypocritical considering your hate for people claiming the only way to have fun in Warmachine is to play competitive. I don't think i was very clear.
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Post by galrohir on Nov 28, 2017 21:57:01 GMT
The thing that confuses me is that the purpose of this thread was to have a fun community list building with a condition of the most expensive. I don't understand why you're so against this thread, merely because you don't agree with it. Why do we have to censor out thread fir the purpose of optimal marketing to new players. lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/68836lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/68935lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/69043lormahordes.freeforums.net/post/69069Yes, this is a fun little exercise, but while it will help maintain the fun for the people in the community it will also act as a deterrent to new people coming into the community by promoting negative aspects of our hobby - the cost. Any caveats and conditions you put on this activity do not matter because the only thing that the potential new recruit will remember is the big cost highlighted in the posts. 1) Miniature wargaming requires other people for you to play against - it is not a solo activity. 2) The more other people that play, the more potential there is to find an opponent to play against and have fun. 3) The more people that play the better the community for the game will be. 3A) The easier it is to attract new players. 3B) The easier it is to find an opponent. 3C) The more likely that the game company will continue to support the game. 4) As time goes on other people that play will stop playing for whatever reason - the community will lose a member. 5) For the community to thrive new players need to be added at a rate equal to or greater than the loss rate. 5A) If the loss rate is greater than the growth rate in your area you have less fun.5B) If the loss rate is greater than the growth rate globally the game company will stop supporting the game, making it less fun for all of the players, either by discontinuing the game (GW's "Epic") or shutting down operations (Agents of Gaming with "Babylon 5 Wars"). 6) The best way to improve the growth rate of payers is to adopt basic marketing practices. 6A) The game company can advertise. 6B) The community can showcase the positives of playing the game. 6C) The community can refrain from highlighting negative aspects - like potential costs in very expensive list builds.Does this make it more clear? I'm not trying to censor you guys - you guys can type about whatever you want! I just think it's not a good idea to accentuate the costs, like this thread does, if we want to maximize the number of new players, which is in all of our interests if we want to continue playing the game in a thriving community. I bolded the parts I disagree with, the rest of your post is basically on point but: 5A) Having more players is not always more fun, as anybody with a gaming group can tell you. Sometimes new people are great, sometimes new people are Urani. Losing the good players might hurt, but losing the Urani is always a net positive. You can have tons of fun with any kind of wargame with only two people. Having more players is only ever a true net positive for the company, since they sell more stuff. At the actual player level it's not that clear cut. 6C) The community should highlight the negative aspects, because it's the only way they will ever get better. And if a person decides not to engage in the game due to those aspects, there is a very high chance they would have left anyway once they find out, if they did engage. Except they'll probably leave with a much bitter aftertaste, since they invested in a game and it turned out they didn't like it, and nobody warned them of the aspects they didn't like. For that matter, you never know what is or isn't a negative aspect regarding a game. Not everyone places the same value on the same things. All you can do is be as honest as possible, so the person has the full understanding of what they're getting into before they spend their hard earned money. Besides which, this thread is pretty clear in that these are the most expensive lists you could buy. Not average prices, just the most expensive. Nobody sane is going to get turned off by this. It would be like someone deciding not to buy any kind of car because a Lamborghini Veneno costs 4.5 million dollars.
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Post by doopsie on Nov 28, 2017 23:58:37 GMT
Yeah, I'm gonna chime in a disagree that this is a damaging thread. Rather, I think the "cheapest 75 pts" has far more potential to cause harm.
Most expensive elicits a "haha, look at that amazingly terrible list. Who would ever want that?", kinda like seeing a $10,000,000 souped-up DeLorean.
Least expensive elicits a "oh geeze, I need to spend at least $X to even participate? That's too much," kinda like seeing a $3,000 Kia Rio when you only make $9/hr.
That said, given how low the "least expensive" thread managed to get, I don't think it's really a problem.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Nov 29, 2017 1:04:49 GMT
I don't think that it is good to simply degrade a fun topic by ridiculous argument. Let's back to the topic.
Anyway, what about to think about a pair of 75pt lists? Is the sum can over than 1000 USD even if you are using the full models you have used for the most factions?
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Post by doopsie on Nov 29, 2017 1:51:10 GMT
Ok, so returning to most expensive list, here's Grymkin:
Bump in the Night- 3 free solos Old Witch 3 Rattler Rattler Rattler Gorehound Death Knell Death Knell Cask Imp Cask Imp Cask Imp Trapper Kin Trapper Kin Witchwood Witchwood Mad Caps Mad Caps Murder Crows Murder Crows min Dread Rots min Dread Rots
MSRP: $750
Or, we can do a pair of lists: List 1: Old Witch, Bump Old Witch 3 Rattler x3 Gorehound Cask Imp x3 Trapperkin x2 Witchwood x2 Murder Crows x2 Mad Caps x2 min Dread Rots x2 min Piggybacks x2 twilight sisters cost: $695
List 2: Dreamer, Menagerie Dreamer Cage Rager x5 Crabbit x1 (free) Death Knell x2 Gremlin Swarm x4 Karianna Rose cost: $487
total cost for the most expensive pair of Grymkin lists (and again, these are truly stupid lists that nobody should ever consider running): $1182
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Post by crimsyn on Nov 29, 2017 2:39:09 GMT
Besides which, this thread is pretty clear in that these are the most expensive lists you could buy. Not average prices, just the most expensive. Nobody sane is going to get turned off by this. It would be like someone deciding not to buy any kind of car because a Lamborghini Veneno costs 4.5 million dollars. I would argue that these lists are more Edsel than Lamborghini...
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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 29, 2017 5:38:35 GMT
No it was clear. I was just hoping to highlight that your insistence that the only way you can grow the community is by applying marketomg practices was a bit hypocritical considering your hate for people claiming the only way to have fun in Warmachine is to play competitive. I don't think i was very clear. Huh? Whatever...
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Post by regleant on Nov 29, 2017 6:57:00 GMT
Least expensive elicits a "oh geeze, I need to spend at least $X to even participate? That's too much," kinda like seeing a $3,000 Kia Rio when you only make $9/hr. Shouldn't you know the minimum expenditure of a hobby before you jump in?
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Post by doopsie on Nov 29, 2017 22:28:14 GMT
Least expensive elicits a "oh geeze, I need to spend at least $X to even participate? That's too much," kinda like seeing a $3,000 Kia Rio when you only make $9/hr. Shouldn't you know the minimum expenditure of a hobby before you jump in? Sure, but you don't need a 75-pt list to play. While they are uncommon, it's absolutely possible and reasonable to play battlebox games, and I can't recall ever seeing anybody turn down a smaller game when asked to play. Therefore, it's presenting a higher minimum expenditure than is accurate.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 30, 2017 14:29:49 GMT
Shouldn't you know the minimum expenditure of a hobby before you jump in? Sure, but you don't need a 75-pt list to play. While they are uncommon, it's absolutely possible and reasonable to play battlebox games, and I can't recall ever seeing anybody turn down a smaller game when asked to play. Therefore, it's presenting a higher minimum expenditure than is accurate. What constitutes the minimum expenditure? Certainly not a 75 point army? When you tell a potential new player "You're going to end up spending $500+ to field a normal, full 75 point army," it will come across like a warning, even if you say it as if it were a polite bit of information. Instead of getting the new player to drop a pile of money on a full 75 point army in one shot, you should let them grow into the game and their collection. The true minimum expenditure to get into Warmachine is a Mk3 battlebox. If all they want to do is play battlebox games for the rest of their life, you shake their hand and say: "Have a great time!" A new player will continue to spend money until they can't financially or they have gotten as many models as they want. If they get to the point where they are competing with multiple 75 point armies in SR tournaments - that's great, but it's not a requirement. If they only have a small army to play casual games with, that's fine also.
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 30, 2017 15:52:40 GMT
Troll List.
Best I can do:
Borka2 Night Troll Night Troll Night Troll Night Troll Sorcerer Sorcerer Sorcerer Sorcerer Shaman Shaman Northkin Raiders Northkin Raiders Bog Trog Shamblers Krielstone Northkin Elder Kriel Warriors Swamp Gobber Chef
Total Cost $679.82
This one feels dirty as I have to buy full kriel warrior units with attachments but only use min Kriel warriors without attachments, but PP don't sell Kriel Warriors any other way, I believe
Borka2 (Storm of the North) Night Troll Night Troll Night Troll Night Troll Min Kriel Warriors Sorcerer Sorcerer Sorcerer Min Kriel Warriors Sorcerer Sorcerer Sorcerer Min Kriel Warriors Sorcerer Sorcerer Sorcerer Min Kriel Warriors Sorcerer Sorcerer Sorcerer Shaman Shaman Bog Trog Shamblers Goblin Tinker
$840.75
Think outside the box Big Fat Troll
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 30, 2017 16:52:35 GMT
Arcaux I double dare you to take the second list to your next big event.
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Post by Arcaux on Nov 30, 2017 17:35:46 GMT
Arcaux I double dare you to take the second list to your next big event. Buy me 4 Night trolls, 2 units of Kriel Warriors and 11 Sorcerers and you have a deal ;-)
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Post by fanguad on Nov 30, 2017 18:16:07 GMT
Here's my attempt at Khador. I'm assuming that I am terrible at buying things and buy full boxes when I need min units, etc. Also Extreme versions of jacks. I'll be attempting one later where everthing that is purchased is used. Theme: Legion of Steel Zevanna Agha | +27 | $125 | Extreme Juggernaut | 12 | $65 | Extreme Juggernaut | 12 | $65 | Extreme Juggernaut | 12 | $65 | Iron Fang Uhlans (min) | 12 | $100 | Iron Fang Uhlans (min) | 12 | $100 | Battle Mechaniks (min) | 3 | $28 | Battle Mechanik Officer | 3 | $22 | Battle Mechaniks (min) | 3 | $28 | Battle Mechanik Officer | 3 | $22 | Battle Mechaniks (min) | 3 | $28 | Battle Mechanik Officer | 3 | $22 | Iron Fang Pikemen (min) | 9 | $60 | Iron Fang Pikemen (min) | 9 | $60 | Iron Fang Pikemen (min) | 9 | $60 | Iron Fang Kovnik | free | $19 |
Total: $869
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