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Post by Swampmist on Nov 15, 2017 3:42:02 GMT
So, seeing as I just picked up a big 'ol lot of PoM, I thought I might as well look to the community for list opinions. Contexts: The Thyra list is the Main List (despite Formatting,) with the Feora3 list meant to crack armor with my one of my personal favorite casters. The thyra list is largely the Meta(tm) list, but with a revenger over the second unit of tfg because I don't want to buy the second unit of mans (let alone paint,) and I think an arcnode will be good with her Any opinions, questions, criticisms, ect? conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0OgR1U1U1qeV3U3q3E3r30jI2i3G3H___-0c3K3N1H3U3Sf73z3B2_2MdSdS2KProtectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses (Feora 3) Feora, the Conquering Flame [+27] - Crusader [10] - Crusader [10] - Dervish [7] - Hand of Judgment [18] - Sanctifier [14] - Hierophant [3] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Paladin of the Order of the Wall [4] Choir of Menoth (max) [6] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)] Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Guardians of the Temple (Thyra 1) Thyra, Flame of Sorrow [+29] - Blood of Martyrs [16] - Revenger [10] - Sanctifier [14] Nicia, Tear of Vengeance [0(5)] Pyrrhus, Flameguard Hero [5] Vassal of Menoth [0(3)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Daughters of the Flame [10] Flame Bringers (max) [17] Flame Bringers (max) [17] Temple Flameguard (max) [11] - Temple Flameguard Officer and Standard [0(4)] Thank you for reading! I'll be posting this to both here and Facebook, so the discussion will hopefully be fruitful!
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Nov 15, 2017 15:43:48 GMT
That's quite the battlegroup on F3, and I don't see much in the way of fueling it. Did you get any deliverers, or sunburst crews to throw some long range fire?
Also, The Book + Idrians is a good way to score some high reliability cont. fire for HoJ charges if you got one of those pieces.
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Post by Swampmist on Nov 15, 2017 22:18:38 GMT
Yeah, there's a version with 2 vassals thart I can do with warroom (CC won't let me pay for vilmon sadly.) there's also a version with double sanctifier, but it leaves little room for the book or other focus support sadly :/
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 16, 2017 2:00:54 GMT
What about running thyra in Interdiction?
Pow 15 Knights Exemplar make my heart happy.
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Post by W0lfBane on Nov 16, 2017 3:40:20 GMT
GOD DAM IT SWAMP YOU PIECE OF MURKY WATER.
NOW I'M REALLY MAD THERE ISN'T A CON EXCLUSIVE SCULPT CALLED THE "Temple Flamegirl"
Lists seem ok
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Post by Swampmist on Nov 16, 2017 3:50:08 GMT
Saving that insult to my sig
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d3z
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Post by d3z on Nov 16, 2017 4:17:21 GMT
What about running thyra in Interdiction? Pow 15 Knights Exemplar make my heart happy. My head went the other way - different casters for Guardians. It may not be "flamegirls" without Thyra though... ------------------------------------------- High Reclaimer [+32] - Revenger [10] - Crusader [10] - Castigator [12] Nicia, Tear of Vengeance [0(5)] Pyrrhus, Flameguard Hero [0(5)] Anastasia di Bray [3] Wrack [1] Daughters of the Flame [10] Flame Bringers (max) [17] Temple Flameguard (max) [11] Flameguard Cleansers (min) [9] - Flameguard Cleanser Officer [4] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain and Guide [5] ------------------------------------------- We could bring back the old days of cycling HoF on Idrians and cleansers! RE the original Thyra list - Could you update to match conflict chamber? I wasted bit of time figuring out how the list fit as written. Was about to criticize the TFG UA as well . I'd prefer Anastasia instead of the vassal, tbh. Going first seems like a solid move to grab the board and the extra ambush model will further prevent your opponent from using the sides of the board. Also great for contesting if held for later in the game.
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Post by Swampmist on Nov 16, 2017 5:43:09 GMT
RE the original Thyra list - Could you update to match conflict chamber? I wasted bit of time figuring out how the list fit as written. Was about to criticize the TFG UA as well . I'd prefer Anastasia instead of the vassal, tbh. Going first seems like a solid move to grab the board and the extra ambush model will further prevent your opponent from using the sides of the board. Also great for contesting if held for later in the game. Can't do that; conflict Chamber currently has an issue where it isn't updating to allow for the 3rd free solo in the list (paying for pyrrhus rather than the TFG UA, conflict chamber forces the most expensive options to be free so the list sits at 59 points of Flameguard.) As such, the vassal is only there because it's Free, and frankly there's not a great free option in guardians outside of that with the build I have. Also, I'm prolly not swapping from Thyra. She's a windmill slam into Cryx, Grymkin and like half of Skorne, and that's a pretty important set of match-ups to cover.
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Post by d3z on Nov 16, 2017 6:53:05 GMT
Well, you still need to update the list. It does not fit as written, even if you change the vassal from 3 to 0.
My take on the list as I now understand it is that the obsession with maximising free points has led you to take 7 points of meh (TFG UA and vassal), when Anastasia and 2 wracks would perhaps be better, especially since you'd have to lose your wrack to make the current list fit. There's probably a few merc solos that could spice up the list decently with that 5 points, with wracks filling it up to 75.
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Post by Swampmist on Nov 16, 2017 7:57:00 GMT
d3, build the list in War Room, it fits. It’s a problem with conflict chamber forcing Pyrrhus to be free instead of the tfg UA. Also, I don’t think payong for pyrrhus to get the 1 point needed for the free vassal is an “obsession with free points.” The TFG ua adds more tough, no kd models to give Pyrrhus protection and a solid minifeat, which imho is better than a derpy solo and an extra point of focus. Why do you consider the vassal mediocre here?
Edit: just went and checked my warroom, you are right in that the wrack is extra.
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Post by d3z on Nov 16, 2017 10:05:53 GMT
Why do you consider the vassal mediocre here? If I'm going to break it down and pit the two wracks against the vassal from my alternative, it's because I find focus support on Thyra herself more important than on the jacks, especially if you plan to use that arc node. My comment certainly makes less sense if your list had a wrack anyway, which is what you might have still thought at the time of writing this... On the solo vs the TFG UA, we are on very different wavelengths if you think +1 on a list with this speed is 'derpy', but I suppose I'm just as down on the UA - just 2 more bodies to me. There's lots of solos (+ wrack/s) I'd take over those 7 pts: Anastasia, Orin, Taryn, maybe even Kell or Corbeau.
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Post by streetpizza on Nov 17, 2017 16:16:30 GMT
Love the F3 list however I think dropping a crusader opens up better options for you and helps with how focus starved she is: conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0OgR1U1qeV3U3q3kjC3E3z3B3B2_jI2i3G3HProtectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses (Feora 3) Feora, the Conquering Flame [+27] - Crusader [10] - Dervish [7] - Hand of Judgment [18] - Sanctifier [14] - Hierophant [3] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [3] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Vassal of Menoth [3] Wrack [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [0(5)] Alternatively drop the monk and wrack to get the book in there. That would give you better play in wider match ups for feat negation against some casters and the fire spreading goodness when central positioning on it isn't critical
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Post by mrhlaine on Nov 21, 2017 13:41:34 GMT
I'd drop the revenger for another backup heavy (like a crusader) ora a second ubit of daughters, even without ambush they are one of the best units in the faction imho, plus thyra is always strapped for focus as his, I never felt the need of an arcnode
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Post by Fire Step on Jan 2, 2018 20:58:53 GMT
Did you have much luck with Feora3? Getting her delivered soon...
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Post by draycos on Jan 5, 2018 16:52:13 GMT
I play that Thyra list (basically) and I really enjoy it. It obviously has its weaknesses, but it is a blast to play and puts a ton of models into the back and flanks of the enemy.
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