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Post by Havock on Nov 13, 2017 21:03:24 GMT
I actually started out with Legion during the mk2 field test days. Legion and Khador are really hard to compared because they are so different.
We do not have an Angelius, Legion does not have Iron Fang Pikemen. Apples and oranges.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Nov 13, 2017 21:12:20 GMT
I'd kill for some of those Field Marshals. Harkevich has a good one, but I continually forget that the Old Witch even exists.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Nov 13, 2017 21:55:22 GMT
I'd kill for some of those Field Marshals. Harkevich has a good one, but I continually forget that the Old Witch even exists. Speaking of grass is greener, if you like Harkevich's field marshal take a look at cgynar's captain Kraye...
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Post by welshhoppo on Nov 13, 2017 23:23:56 GMT
I'd kill for some of those Field Marshals. Harkevich has a good one, but I continually forget that the Old Witch even exists. Speaking of grass is greener, if you like Harkevich's field marshal take a look at cgynar's captain Kraye... Dont get me started on Bloody Captain Kraye.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Nov 14, 2017 1:03:35 GMT
Speaking of grass is greener, if you like Harkevich's field marshal take a look at cgynar's captain Kraye... Dont get me started on Bloody Captain Kraye. You mean blue super Harkevich on a horse? At least there's one thing that Harkevich has that Cygnar will never have. A great big bushy beard.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Nov 14, 2017 1:08:20 GMT
Dont get me started on Bloody Captain Kraye. You mean blue super Harkevich on a horse? He is shockingly good!!
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Post by The Snark Knight on Nov 14, 2017 1:11:26 GMT
Nah, you're thinking of Nemo.
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 14, 2017 2:10:33 GMT
I'll be honest this bothers me a lot (fluff wise). Like, Nyss are supposed to be able to walk around in their shorts in a blizzard, so why don't we have more cold damage immunity? There's like, a warlock and two units that have it. Wait... weren't you saying just the other day that damage immunities are OP and need to be nerfed? Now you want more of it? Well, I did say fluff wise. Besides, it would still be better if some sort of corresponding weakness was involved as I mentioned in my earlier thread. I don't think its unreasonable to want more of a game mechanic, even I think it could be better fine-tuned.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Nov 14, 2017 3:50:51 GMT
I feel like there is a significant difference between not minding a little cold weather and not taking any damage from being smashed by ice or frozen solid. You'd hardly expect Idrians to not catch fire just because they live someplace hot.
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 14, 2017 3:54:40 GMT
I feel like there is a significant difference between not minding a little cold weather and not taking any damage from being smashed by ice or frozen solid. You'd hardly expect Idrians to not catch fire just because they live someplace hot. Fair point, but I believe I remember reading something along the lines of "dying to icy blasts that should not harm them" (from a thing about Bethayne and her first encounter with Legion before the Nyss were completely taken over).
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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 14, 2017 3:57:30 GMT
What everyone else has said, plus Shredders and Scythians. I have a large Legion army in addition to Khador (and other stuff) and the Shredders and Scythians have always pulled their weight for me back in Mk2. I haven't had much chance to play Legion in Mk3, but I have to say I like the changes to the Shredder and the Scythian in Mk3 - what do the other Legion players have to say about them? Is Shredder Spam still a thing in Mk3? Our lessers aren't near as good as they were. Their animi do jack squat now. Shredders still have good offensive output thanks to flank, but they're used more as finishers and jammers than straight up spam (shredder + blight wasp spam is very viable with Abby2 though). As for the Scythean, I like it, but the community is fairly split on what they want from it. Currently the Throne does a better job. Some want the Scythean to lose thresher and pick up murderous. Some want it and the Soldier to swap animi... Some want the Scythean to pick up a chain attack... Its all over the place, really. Yeah, the lessers did go down in utility and became more single-mission. The Harrier went from being a guided missile to an over-sized Grotesque, but at least the animus is really useful on some warlocks. (Lylyth 1 or 2 with Dodge?!? Woof!) The Stinger became a mini-Teraph and the Shredder went from half-support / half-attack to all-out attack. (My Shredder Plushy tells me that Shredders like to hug with their teeth, similar to sharks.) I find that your comment about the Scythean loosing Thresher to gain Murderous kinda odd, because the Scythean already has Thresher and Murderous. The Scythean is already a walking can of Troll-Be-Gone, the only way I can think of improving it would be if there was some way to give it follow-up. The Throne is very good, but whether it is better than a Scythean depends on who you are playing and what they are taking. Against shieldwalls and other clumped troops I think the Scythean is better, but if we're talking about dispersed troops then I would agree that the Throne is better.
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Post by maximumhippo on Nov 14, 2017 4:51:53 GMT
Our lessers aren't near as good as they were. Their animi do jack squat now. Shredders still have good offensive output thanks to flank, but they're used more as finishers and jammers than straight up spam (shredder + blight wasp spam is very viable with Abby2 though). As for the Scythean, I like it, but the community is fairly split on what they want from it. Currently the Throne does a better job. Some want the Scythean to lose thresher and pick up murderous. Some want it and the Soldier to swap animi... Some want the Scythean to pick up a chain attack... Its all over the place, really. Yeah, the lessers did go down in utility and became more single-mission. The Harrier went from being a guided missile to an over-sized Grotesque, but at least the animus is really useful on some warlocks. (Lylyth 1 or 2 with Dodge?!? Woof!) The Stinger became a mini-Teraph and the Shredder went from half-support / half-attack to all-out attack. (My Shredder Plushy tells me that Shredders like to hug with their teeth, similar to sharks.) I find that your comment about the Scythean loosing Thresher to gain Murderous kinda odd, because the Scythean already has Thresher and Murderous. The Scythean is already a walking can of Troll-Be-Gone, the only way I can think of improving it would be if there was some way to give it follow-up. The Throne is very good, but whether it is better than a Scythean depends on who you are playing and what they are taking. Against shieldwalls and other clumped troops I think the Scythean is better, but if we're talking about dispersed troops then I would agree that the Throne is better. Throne does have chain strike, so against shield walls, it's sort of a wash. The Scythean as you say is kryptonite to trolls, where the throne will be less successful because it's lower POW and inability to deny tough. I have a troll player locally who's fairly good and i'm looking at taking both a throne and Scythean in a single list, Scythean for the champs and warders, throne for the fennblades and raiders.
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Post by davycannonhound on Nov 14, 2017 16:53:00 GMT
Our lessers aren't near as good as they were. Their animi do jack squat now. Shredders still have good offensive output thanks to flank, but they're used more as finishers and jammers than straight up spam (shredder + blight wasp spam is very viable with Abby2 though). As for the Scythean, I like it, but the community is fairly split on what they want from it. Currently the Throne does a better job. Some want the Scythean to lose thresher and pick up murderous. Some want it and the Soldier to swap animi... Some want the Scythean to pick up a chain attack... Its all over the place, really. Yeah, the lessers did go down in utility and became more single-mission. The Harrier went from being a guided missile to an over-sized Grotesque, but at least the animus is really useful on some warlocks. (Lylyth 1 or 2 with Dodge?!? Woof!) The Stinger became a mini-Teraph and the Shredder went from half-support / half-attack to all-out attack. (My Shredder Plushy tells me that Shredders like to hug with their teeth, similar to sharks.) I find that your comment about the Scythean loosing Thresher to gain Murderous kinda odd, because the Scythean already has Thresher and Murderous. The Scythean is already a walking can of Troll-Be-Gone, the only way I can think of improving it would be if there was some way to give it follow-up. The Throne is very good, but whether it is better than a Scythean depends on who you are playing and what they are taking. Against shieldwalls and other clumped troops I think the Scythean is better, but if we're talking about dispersed troops then I would agree that the Throne is better. Dodge on Rhyas is good too! Wrong ability, I mean man eater. Got them confused. True.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Nov 14, 2017 19:11:43 GMT
Yeah, the lessers did go down in utility and became more single-mission. The Harrier went from being a guided missile to an over-sized Grotesque, but at least the animus is really useful on some warlocks. (Lylyth 1 or 2 with Dodge?!? Woof!) The Stinger became a mini-Teraph and the Shredder went from half-support / half-attack to all-out attack. (My Shredder Plushy tells me that Shredders like to hug with their teeth, similar to sharks.) I find that your comment about the Scythean loosing Thresher to gain Murderous kinda odd, because the Scythean already has Thresher and Murderous. The Scythean is already a walking can of Troll-Be-Gone, the only way I can think of improving it would be if there was some way to give it follow-up. The Throne is very good, but whether it is better than a Scythean depends on who you are playing and what they are taking. Against shieldwalls and other clumped troops I think the Scythean is better, but if we're talking about dispersed troops then I would agree that the Throne is better. Dodge on Rhyas is good too! Wrong ability, I mean man eater. Got them confused. True. Wait a minute! Somebody wants to ditch Thresher for a free charge on a living warrior model?!? OK, what am I missing here? My initial response to that involves a lot of foul language and the word "stupid" but I figure I had better ask why this would be a good idea. Is there a reason why you would want to reduce its potential damage output (and take out the ability that puts the "scythe" in the "Scythean") just for a single point of fury? I... I... I don't get it.
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Post by welshhoppo on Nov 14, 2017 19:39:13 GMT
Agreed, Thresher is an amazing ability.
Like really amazing.
Like seriously, it's that good.
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