gdnerd
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Post by gdnerd on Nov 29, 2017 18:28:32 GMT
I believe this is what I was running: Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North (Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Glacier King [35] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [5] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Fel Caller [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters[7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] I find myself always jamming a Sorcerer in with a SotN list to have something to battle incorporeal. This is definitely one of the bigger problems with the theme imo. Our faction was designed around having the kriel stone to handle incorporeal, but the new elder does not do that. Do you simply accept that "this list will never try to play in to cryx" and reveal that you will play your other list, or do you try to power through anyway? Or have you not gotten to that stage of refinement of the list? Maybe i am overthinking this. Blackbanes are not a huge deal i think since you have no real units to convert, but having a wraith engine just run and sit in your zone is a potential problem. Though that requires you to play against cryx who has a wraith engine on a scenario with no objective. Perhaps that is not a common enough problem to deal with. I see you gave up on the axer. Its a shame that he causes you to lose out on a whole free 5 points, cause i really liked the crazy assassination potential, though 14" threat is reasonable i guess... How are you liking Eilish? I love puppet master, but 5 points always seem too expensive when i build my lists. I have not put him on the table yet. You find him important? I don't think post cryx CID you'll see much of blackbanes but I could be wrong. I'm betting on defensive incorporeal spam not being a huge thing for the time being but I may have to re-evaluate. If the field of incorporeal lists is sufficiently small I could potentially just one-list everything that falls under that category. The Axer is still, in my mind, the perfect beast. However there are two impediments here for him: 1) It's not possible to fit double Fire Eaters, double Bears, Krielstone and Champs with him in the list unless I get rid of the Runebearer to make the Northkin Elder free which is NOT worth it. 2) The Glacier King wants to run hot every turn either shooting or punching and there is no fury managment in this list so it either hinders your ability to max out the Glacier King or the Axer derps around with 2 fury on it threatening to frenzy into your back line. I considered swapping him to a Pyre Troll which you would think would solve 1, but the precarious nature of the unit points means that you can't get the third free solo off of just those 2 points without making radical changes. TBH I prefer the third solo and the 7 free points package here. Eilish is OKAY but nothing to write home about. He's MOSTLY there because he just got off my painting table and looks great but I think he might be the correct call as Rebuke / other debuff insurance. And since Trollkin Sorcerer doesn't beat Rebuke, I think it's better than the Champion Sorcerer package. Once the Bog Trog Mistspeaker changes go live, there's a very good chance he'll morph into that. TBH between the Mistspeaker, Eilish and Lanyssa you have some really solid options for your solo slot.
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Post by gdnerd on Dec 6, 2017 0:36:18 GMT
More matches. I don't remember if I posted the current iteration but here's what I've settled on for now: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0G4NfmjqfJfJ0li-iZiZezeziTbKcCTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North (Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Glacier King [35] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3] The Shaman serve both as additional flag holders / super hard to kill zone contesters and infantry clear. The Sorcerer with the Champions could be a Gremlin Swarm but I like the access to magical weapons. I played Madrak into Tanith Gunline. He couldn't trade with my forces. Tried to kill the GK but left it on 14. Considered an assassination the next turn but decided a concealed Madrak under EG and Stone wasn't worth it. I killed pretty much everything except 2 Wyrds and some support and he conceded after he couldn't grok a last ditch assassination. I also played 2 games where I felt the need to play my other list (Kolgrima). One was Gastone2/Damiano (Kolgrima vs Gastone2 was a rousing success) and the other was Harbinger in FM and Testament in Exemplar (Kolgrima killed Harbinger). While this list feels okay with a decent amount of infantry I don't think it wants to play into lists that can poke effectively before the engagement and have a lot of accuracy and medium damage. Not sure if there's a way to increase the poke value of this list to compensate or even if I care but that's my current consideration with tweaking and finding a pair.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Dec 6, 2017 8:34:43 GMT
Well, I was pretty sure that it would be a strong pairing, but I am honestly a bit surprised- not so much that Madrak beat the Tanith gunline, but that it was such a rout. What theme was that in? I think it's actually stronger in Bones with the Shrimp and Fulcrums. So basically you're more worried about Cryx and Cygnar with him?
And Kolgrimma is in POD?
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Post by gdnerd on Dec 6, 2017 22:36:01 GMT
Well, I was pretty sure that it would be a strong pairing, but I am honestly a bit surprised- not so much that Madrak beat the Tanith gunline, but that it was such a rout. What theme was that in? I think it's actually stronger in Bones with the Shrimp and Fulcrums. So basically you're more worried about Cryx and Cygnar with him? And Kolgrimma is in POD? He was playing bones. I think it was partly inexperience on his part (he just switched to circle full time like a month ago) but an even bigger part the matchup is awful. Between Madrak and the GK you should be able to kill a Woldwarden in one round. Also an entirely cold immune and partially fire resistant force makes the Fulcrum REAL sad.
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Post by Bomma on Dec 7, 2017 9:06:03 GMT
Are 8 Fennblades (min unit + ua) enough of a screen for a full unit of champs with Madrak1?
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Post by gdnerd on Dec 7, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
Yeah but then you would be playing Band of Heroes rather than Storm of the North.
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Post by mazog on Dec 7, 2017 17:57:35 GMT
There are matchups where that's an advantage though, and Fenns are terrific on the table. The two things that I miss when playing SotN are Fenns and the chronicler. If I could get them in there... it might change the meta, but it would be fun. Bears with gang, cold stone, and charge of the trolls? It makes me shiver and think about going out of theme.
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Post by Trollock on Dec 7, 2017 20:17:44 GMT
Are 8 Fennblades (min unit + ua) enough of a screen for a full unit of champs with Madrak1? B. If you want them as a screen, why pay for the UA? 10 dudes with no UA seem better if they are just going to block lanes.
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Post by gdnerd on Dec 7, 2017 21:00:50 GMT
Yeah, not necessarily saying BoH is worse, because the 2" of extra deploy roughly equals the first turn run with the Northkin Elder on stuff, gives you access to goodies AND gives you a solid RFP plan. However, I think the sprays from the Fire Eaters and Shaman, as well as the pure unadulterated stupid that is the bears is just TOO good to pass up.
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Post by Bomma on Dec 7, 2017 21:01:00 GMT
Mini feat and cleave?
Allows them to get about and also more dangerous with cleave.
But just a big body of doods works just aswell.. with more attacks.
Good questions, I'll tinker.
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Post by Trollock on Dec 8, 2017 12:31:35 GMT
Mini feat and cleave? Allows them to get about and also more dangerous with cleave. But just a big body of doods works just aswell.. with more attacks. Good questions, I'll tinker. B. I guess my mindset is that it is full unit + attachment or nothing at all
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Post by mazog on Dec 8, 2017 17:24:07 GMT
Mini feat and cleave? Allows them to get about and also more dangerous with cleave. But just a big body of doods works just aswell.. with more attacks. Good questions, I'll tinker. B. I guess my mindset is that it is full unit + attachment or nothing at all Except maybe in CoI where vengeance is range limited and a min unit is +1 card. That's the only case I have ever considered not going Max+UA. Even there I want the UA, though.
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Post by Bomma on Dec 11, 2017 8:16:38 GMT
Tried and tested.. two min units of fenns with UA screening is disgusting.
Next tinker!
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Post by mazog on Dec 11, 2017 18:51:39 GMT
How is it better than one Max with UA? I'm genuinely curious, because aside from scenario it doesn't seem like it'd be fifty percent better, which is roughly the cost difference. I suppose you could have two turns where you use no quarter?
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Post by gdnerd on Dec 11, 2017 19:07:39 GMT
Yeah, let's try and unpack this a little bit. Was it a function of the two units and two minifeats being really useful? Or was it just Fenns synergizing with Madrak useful (because then why not double max fenns), or was it just Madrak needed warm bodies and Kriel Warriors could have done the same job but cheaper?
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