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Post by macdaddy on Nov 27, 2017 0:19:16 GMT
grabsnikk - That list looks pretty solid, though I'm not sold on Hutchuk. I can verify hutchuck is normally worth his points. Combined with the Ambush Bears and you can get them wrecking jacks under rust. He works excellent for me in Circle. The quake grenade is also incredible.
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Post by grabsnikk on Nov 27, 2017 1:06:20 GMT
grabsnikk - That list looks pretty solid, though I'm not sold on Hutchuk. I can verify hutchuck is normally worth his points. Combined with the Ambush Bears and you can get them wrecking jacks under rust. He works excellent for me in Circle. The quake grenade is also incredible. Hutchuck is not necessarily a must have in the list. Since the list is somewhat lacking in the magic weapons department, Hutchuck could be swapped out for a Scorcerer for the Champions and a Gremlin Swarm. Or assuming that the minions CID changes go through, a Bog Trog Mist speaker could be a food buy just for ability to hand out Guidance to Jarl of the Bomber.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 27, 2017 1:47:09 GMT
elricaltovilla - thats entirely fair, I was mainly going off of your response where you said it was a silly list good for a couple casual games. As for the case of the sorcerers as pinging tools it may be valid, I haven't had jam issues so far. grabsnikk - That list looks pretty solid, though I'm not sold on Hutchuk. I think I see what you mean about Hutch- he is situationally brilliant but people are generally playing fewer warjacks and here you already have the Bears to ambush and they are even better against jacks and especially beasts. There are other options that would make better use of the points, like Valka, who is still sorely underrated. But if you also want to use the Minion slots, Alten Ashley's GW and/or Lynus and Edrea's Applied Knowledge could make Borka's hit and run tactic downright nasty. You could use Lanyssa and Swamp Gobbers to help with scenario or max out the stone and fill out with a Gremlin swarm. That last option is what sounds best to me. You would have an easier time covering the Fire Eaters and Bears with the stone, which could often be key. You would still have a solo for your flag but one better suited to that.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 27, 2017 1:48:42 GMT
grabsnikk - That list looks pretty solid, though I'm not sold on Hutchuk. I can verify hutchuck is normally worth his points. Combined with the Ambush Bears and you can get them wrecking jacks under rust. He works excellent for me in Circle. The quake grenade is also incredible. No offense, and I love Hutch, but looking at everything he does, IMO Circle needs him more than we do.
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 27, 2017 3:47:32 GMT
I can verify hutchuck is normally worth his points. Combined with the Ambush Bears and you can get them wrecking jacks under rust. He works excellent for me in Circle. The quake grenade is also incredible. No offense, and I love Hutch, but looking at everything he does, IMO Circle needs him more than we do. That’s a really good point. No offense taken at all!
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Post by gdnerd on Nov 27, 2017 5:23:17 GMT
Well, I only play casual games. I don't have anywhere near the experience necessary to play in a tournament, nor do I really want to right now. But that doesn't mean I don't want to be good at the game. That's more than fair. Having a casual attitude is definitely is acceptable. Regardless, I'm glad we were able to sell you on Storm of the North, I hope it fits better with what you want from the list.
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Post by Trollock on Nov 27, 2017 7:24:58 GMT
Well, I only play casual games. I don't have anywhere near the experience necessary to play in a tournament, nor do I really want to right now. But that doesn't mean I don't want to be good at the game. You do not need experience to play in tournaments. Tournaments are the only way to get experience pretty much. Steamrollers are a fantastic way to meet new ppl and play fun games. In my experience, the mood is more relaxed at a SR event than in the local gaming club, and every one is welcome. Also, the way SR works, there will be only one player who loses all games. If you lose in the early rounds, you will get to play against "worse" players. Chances are that you will get to win at least one game, and if you go to a big event, there will be more "low skill" players around, and after a couple of rounds you will find yourself playing against players with the same level of ambition as yourself. So go to event. The bigger the better, because the more rounds you play, the bigger chance that you get to play against ppl of your own skill level. It doesnt matter if you are a WTC player or have been playing for 6 months. At a 6+ round event, you will get to play probably 3-4 of those games against some one who is very nearly your own skill level. In the local gaming club, you could be "worse than every one else" and get your ass kicked all the time, or you could be "better than every one else" and not get a challenge. At even a 16 man event, you will get to play against players much closer to your own skill level, at least in the later rounds. Sorry about the rant, but i just wanted to get the point across to every one. Tournaments ARE for YOU. I promise! You will have a good time. You may not win the tournament, but that is not the point if you go to your first tournament. Perhaps your goal is to win a game. Once you got that down, you can raise the bar and aim to go 2-2 and so on. Playing against new players is great fun, and you get to see stuff you never get locally. Almost every one is super nice and you can make new gaming friends to boot. GO TO TOURNAMENTS!
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Post by elricaltovilla on Nov 27, 2017 13:19:26 GMT
There are other reasons why I don't go to tournaments, but if I ever get enough trolls to run a full two list set that I like I'll be sure to remember your words of encouragement, Trollock.
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Post by albertairish on Nov 27, 2017 16:33:44 GMT
Ran this at a local 40-man Masters tournament over the weekend:
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Band of Heroes
(Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Troll Bouncer [9] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Fell Caller Hero [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Trollkin Sorcerer (1) [3] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] Trollkin Fennblades (min) [9] - Fennblade Officer and Drummer [5] Trollkin Fennblades (min) [9] - Fennblade Officer and Drummer [5]
Ended up dropping it twice and won both times. First into a pGrissel PoD list and then into Witch Coven Dark Host - both were won via scenario. The Fennblades worked well as jammers and infantry removal. Champs just kind of took hits and killed anything that came close enough, although an Infernal Machine'd Seether mowed through a Mortality'd full unit without issue.
Overall it was an effective if fairly boring list. Might try double Champs + Long Riders in the future.
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Post by gdnerd on Nov 28, 2017 22:22:17 GMT
Played two 75 point games with Madrak since I last posted here - one into Kromak1 wolf brick where a unit of bears wiped 2 warpwolves out - the sad part was they didn't need to roll that far above average. Assuming every attack hits, you only need to roll 1.5 above average across the three hits to kill a warpwolf. My opponent soon conceded after his Feral frenzied and almost killed Ghetorix (2 boxes?).
I also played against Lylyth1 in Ravens. Threw away both sets of fire eaters trying to get one of his hellmouths and left it on one box :/ he spent the rest of the turn killing the fire eaters and exactly 1 of my champions who all healed to full on the next turn. In the end I landed 3 fel called champs onto her and it was lights out.
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Post by CaptCommy on Nov 28, 2017 23:29:22 GMT
Played two 75 point games with Madrak since I last posted here - one into Kromak1 wolf brick where a unit of bears wiped 2 warpwolves out - the sad part was they didn't need to roll that far above average. Assuming every attack hits, you only need to roll 1.5 above average across the three hits to kill a warpwolf. My opponent soon conceded after his Feral frenzied and almost killed Ghetorix (2 boxes?). I also played against Lylyth1 in Ravens. Threw away both sets of fire eaters trying to get one of his hellmouths and left it on one box :/ he spent the rest of the turn killing the fire eaters and exactly 1 of my champions who all healed to full on the next turn. In the end I landed 3 fel called champs onto her and it was lights out. Do you have the full list handy? I tried skimming back through this thread but didn't see anything relatively recent.
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Post by gdnerd on Nov 29, 2017 7:24:48 GMT
I believe this is what I was running:
Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North
(Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Glacier King [35] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [5] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Fel Caller [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters[7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)]
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Post by Trollock on Nov 29, 2017 8:01:00 GMT
I believe this is what I was running: Trollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Storm of the North (Madrak 1) Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain [+29] - Glacier King [35] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Eilish Garrity, the Occultist [5] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Fel Caller [0(5)] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Northkin Elder [3] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Bear Handle & Battle Bears [10] Northkin Fire Eaters [7] Northkin Fire Eaters[7] Trollkin Champions (max) [16] - Skaldi Bonehammer [0(5)] I find myself always jamming a Sorcerer in with a SotN list to have something to battle incorporeal. This is definitely one of the bigger problems with the theme imo. Our faction was designed around having the kriel stone to handle incorporeal, but the new elder does not do that. Do you simply accept that "this list will never try to play in to cryx" and reveal that you will play your other list, or do you try to power through anyway? Or have you not gotten to that stage of refinement of the list? Maybe i am overthinking this. Blackbanes are not a huge deal i think since you have no real units to convert, but having a wraith engine just run and sit in your zone is a potential problem. Though that requires you to play against cryx who has a wraith engine on a scenario with no objective. Perhaps that is not a common enough problem to deal with. I see you gave up on the axer. Its a shame that he causes you to lose out on a whole free 5 points, cause i really liked the crazy assassination potential, though 14" threat is reasonable i guess... How are you liking Eilish? I love puppet master, but 5 points always seem too expensive when i build my lists. I have not put him on the table yet. You find him important?
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Post by elricaltovilla on Nov 29, 2017 12:40:04 GMT
What about the new bog trog mist speaker to deal with stealth? Dropping Eilish for one could work.
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Post by Trollock on Nov 29, 2017 12:56:44 GMT
What about the new bog trog mist speaker to deal with stealth? Dropping Eilish for one could work. Thats using the old brain! Could be very useful in SotN lists to handle incorporeal. If they run a wraith engine at you, you can just kill it. That is the most important thing id say. And he can help you shoot gremlin swarms as well. Hope the changes go official soon
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