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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 30, 2017 8:50:31 GMT
The Blitzer thread reminded me of an idea I had come up with as an extreme answer to not only infantry swarms but Nemo 3. Of course, it's debatable as to which warlock runs it best but I started with Madrak 3 because of Soothing Song and Protective Aura. Spellpiercer might have too somewhat. The idea is that the EB or another Storm can run up next to the Kayazy and the other Storms just shoot it for the e-leaps. The EB you can punch with the animus and they probably would not take damage. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bgP9DiRiR7h7h7h7h7h0hjq7d6RfpTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Madrak 3) Madrak, Great Chieftain [+29] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [6] Here's another version: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b5aiRjp7h7h7h7h0hjqfJfJfp0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
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Post by grabsnikk on Oct 31, 2017 2:00:36 GMT
The Blitzer thread reminded me of an idea I had come up with as an extreme answer to not only infantry swarms but Nemo 3. Of course, it's debatable as to which warlock runs it best but I started with Madrak 3 because of Soothing Song and Protective Aura. Spellpiercer might have too somewhat. The idea is that the EB or another Storm can run up next to the Kayazy and the other Storms just shoot it for the e-leaps. The EB you can punch with the animus and they probably would not take damage. conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0bgP9DiRiR7h7h7h7h7h0hjq7d6RfpTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Madrak 3) Madrak, Great Chieftain [+29] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Troll Whelps [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [6] Here's another version: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b5aiRjp7h7h7h7h0hjqfJfJfp0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Taking Storm Trolls to deal with Cygnar seems like a waste. Sure your army can be immune to lightning but your opponent's models likely will be too which means your guns don't work either. At this point you have to try and get in melee to do any damage which may be problematic given the low threat range of Troll light beasts.
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Post by Trollock on Oct 31, 2017 6:57:28 GMT
Im not quite as big a fan of Storm Trolls as you are...
I think Horgle 2 could be interesting with a list that spams light beasts though. Maybe not ONLY storm trolls but having lights that are good against infantry on a turn by turn basis is neat, and then when you need to kill the heavies, you feat and blow them up.
Grissel 1 with light spam is good against heavy spam too. If those lights were Storm Trolls (or at least a couple of them) you would have more game against infantry.
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Post by gdnerd on Oct 31, 2017 6:59:59 GMT
Don't listen to the haters, bring this to WMW. I can't promise you'll have results but it'll be hilarious and you'll definitely win games because no one will know whats going on until its too late.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 31, 2017 7:39:32 GMT
Well, Nemo 3 is not on the roster. It actually had more to do with Irusk and blast-immune Kayazy, though I could see this working against Vlad Rockets or maybe even Zerkova in Legion of Steel. As for Storm Division, FWIW my guns don't work but neither do theirs. Here's a more well-rounded and non-spammy list that I have saved on War Room: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b5aiRiRjp7h7h0hjq2Q7dfJfJ6R0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
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Post by Trollock on Oct 31, 2017 9:13:41 GMT
Maybe up an EBDT to a Mauler and change the solo/minion load out? Do you really feel you get good enough value from our solo options that paying fro two of them is worth not having another beast (like the new winter troll)?
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Post by killroundears on Oct 31, 2017 12:11:40 GMT
Well, Nemo 3 is not on the roster. It actually had more to do with Irusk and blast-immune Kayazy, though I could see this working against Vlad Rockets or maybe even Zerkova in Legion of Steel. As for Storm Division, FWIW my guns don't work but neither do theirs. Here's a more well-rounded and non-spammy list that I have saved on War Room: conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b5aiRiRjp7h7h0hjq2Q7dfJfJ6R0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Storm trolls are pretty weak vs kayazy because they have stealth. meaning the only way to hit them is to bounce lightning off your own models. Which means you left something in front of mat8 PS12 models with battle lust. Who didn't neccesarily die because irusk is sporting that sexy tough no knockdown on any models in his CMD Its mainly a question of spacing for the irusk player to minimise leap damage before the counterpunch
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Post by Trollock on Oct 31, 2017 12:54:04 GMT
Storm trolls are pretty weak vs kayazy because they have stealth. meaning the only way to hit them is to bounce lightning off your own models. Which means you left something in front of mat8 PS12 models with battle lust. Who didn't neccesarily die because irusk is sporting that sexy tough no knockdown on any models in his CMD Its mainly a question of spacing for the irusk player to minimise leap damage before the counterpunch If only we had some sort of magical stone that could remove stealth on demand Also, "spacing" to avoid 4" leaps has never worked for me. 10 dudes basically have to take up the whole board (and a lot of your clock) to avoid the leaps. One storm troll will not murder a unit of kayazy ofc, but a bunch of them could easily shoot down enough kayazy before they got to do anything for them not to be a serious threat.
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Post by unmitigated on Oct 31, 2017 18:35:50 GMT
also you can spark node your storm trolls if you're planning to run a bunch of them
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Post by Hotwater on Nov 2, 2017 16:36:49 GMT
Kolgrima would be a good option, Stormtrolls + Cursed Fate seems pretty good. Cursed Fate with POW 10 anything is pretty good to be honest.
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Post by macdaddy on Nov 2, 2017 16:58:31 GMT
Kolgrima would be a good option, Stormtrolls + Cursed Fate seems pretty good. Cursed Fate with POW 10 anything is pretty good to be honest. does curse fate work with e leaps? isn't it just the troll version of affliction? E leaps are not attacks so no auto damage...
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Post by Hotwater on Nov 2, 2017 17:07:24 GMT
Kolgrima would be a good option, Stormtrolls + Cursed Fate seems pretty good. Cursed Fate with POW 10 anything is pretty good to be honest. does curse fate work with e leaps? isn't it just the troll version of affliction? E leaps are not attacks so no auto damage... Looking at it closer, I'm not sure, though I'm leaning toward it does not work with e-leaps. "damage roll resulting from a direct hit" likely means blast damage doesn't benefit from the spell either.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Nov 9, 2017 7:55:20 GMT
Here's a slightly less silly anti-infantry list that I call "Storm Clouds." conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b5aiRiRjp7h7h0hjq2Q7dfJfJ6R0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
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Post by Trollock on Nov 9, 2017 9:48:42 GMT
Here's a slightly less silly anti-infantry list that I call "Storm Clouds." conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b5aiRiRjp7h7h0hjq2Q7dfJfJ6R0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] If the list is "less anti infantry" you probably want a Mauler in there to be more "anti heavies". Perhaps drop an EBDT and the FG for a Mauler and chef? The chef is hilarious with calandra imo. He turns in to a jamming piece. DEF 14 and star crossed means he is annoying to kill, and even if the free strikes are not going to kill heavies, they DO get 4 dice...
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Post by Hotwater on Nov 9, 2017 17:00:13 GMT
Here's a slightly less silly anti-infantry list that I call "Storm Clouds." conflictchamber.com/#c7201b_-0b5aiRiRjp7h7h0hjq2Q7dfJfJ6R0l0m2NTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia (Calandra 1) Calandra Truthsayer, Oracle of the Glimmerwood [+27] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mulg the Ancient [22] - Storm Troll [9] - Storm Troll [9] - Troll Axer [10] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Feralgeist [2] Janissa Stonetide [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [0(4)] Northkin Shaman [4] Troll Whelps [4] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (max) [9] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] I've run a list like this pre-Mulg inclusion into PoD, but ended up settling on Horgle with a Pyre and some whelps. I haven't liked a list with Mulg that doesn't also include a Doomshaper, thought Calandra is the best candidate for him for sure. Calandra Truthsayer - Runebearer (free) - Mauler - Earthborn - Axer - Axer - Storm Troll - Storm Troll - Storm Troll Horgle (free) - Pyre Whelps (free) Krielstone Max - Elder Dhunian Knot
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