Tunafish
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Post by Tunafish on Oct 28, 2017 23:18:57 GMT
I love the troll Blitzer model, but after reading how garbage it is on Battlecollege, I’m wondering if there is any way to make the poor troll work.
Anyone found any use using a Blizter?
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Oct 28, 2017 23:40:20 GMT
Nope, I think it's a lost cause. Too many things goes against him: - price - animus - niche He is way to much jack of all trades. Maybe someday down the road in a CID, who knows I often compare him to the Legion Seraph which fills a very similar role, but 100 times better. Trolls can't have nice things
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Tunafish
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Post by Tunafish on Oct 29, 2017 0:08:07 GMT
It can’t be. How could you make a beat stick troll with a machine gun attached to its head be SO bad? Actually why is it so bad
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Post by Sarcastastic on Oct 29, 2017 0:11:09 GMT
Rolling for ROF is one of the worst mechanics in the game. He has no guaranteed ranged output, whereas for a few points more, you get a guaranteed two stronger aoe shots. Then when you look at the fact it has dual-attack to increase its output when it gets stuck in, you could instead just take a Mauler and do better with the higher fury and the better animus. Basically, anything the Blitzer wants to do, we don't need him for.
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Post by grabsnikk on Oct 29, 2017 0:14:25 GMT
Rolling for ROF is one of the worst mechanics in the game. He has no guaranteed ranged output, whereas for a few points more, you get a guaranteed two stronger aoe shots. Then when you look at the fact it has dual-attack to increase its output when it gets stuck in, you could instead just take a Mauler and do better with the higher fury and the better animus. Basically, anything the Blitzer wants to do, we don't need him for. I hear you. Do you think he would be worth considering if his ROF went to 2-3 instead of the random d3?
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mattmcd
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Post by mattmcd on Oct 29, 2017 3:14:10 GMT
If he could use that machine gun for covering fire and lay down a wall he would be worth it.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 29, 2017 3:43:40 GMT
I love the Blitzer, both the physical model and the rules. I actually like his animus. He is fun to play, but you're almost always better off going for more damage over his shenanigans, which may not be reliable.
My original idea was to give him a new advantage called Rowdy- He gets boosted rolls for free when performing power attacks. But I later realized that there is a niche he could easily fill that we really do need to.
We and Grymkin are the only factions in the entire game with no beast/jack at 12 or 13 points. (Convergence has the Conservator.) So it occurred to me, would the Blitzer be fine at 13 points? If not, then surely at 12 with Fury 3, as he rarely runs very hot anyway. Making him cheaper also makes those ROF: 1 activations sting a little less. I think that among the potential solutions I have seen, this one solves the most problems in the most efficient way.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Oct 29, 2017 6:44:28 GMT
I had to be talked into playing him by a buddy, but he does great work taking out support models, either by shooting them or throwing other models at them. He's a go-to piece for starting trades for me, by trampling in and then shooting out as much support as I can. One time he took out a squire, Junior Warcaster, and... Strangeways? He, in one activation, with, I will grant, max shots, took out or made inert 17 points worth of models, where he started on the wrong side of a cloud wall. There is nothing in our faction that can match that sort of ranged threat. That said, he doesn't do much besides move models around if the opposition has high armor stats.
Short version: He can, with a good ROF roll, slaughter support.
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Post by Trollock on Oct 29, 2017 7:03:56 GMT
I have dojoed lists with Borka 2 with a Blitzer. He is the best warlock to take advantage of the animus i think.
I do not think the blitzer is awful, but i always end up switching him for a cheaper heavy, or two lights or a bomber. He is sort of always the second or third best coice it seems.
Few lists will be crippled by playing a Blitzer, but i think he is almost never THE best choice. So... Play him if you want to. He fills the slot as a second or third heavy well enough.
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Post by Sarcastastic on Oct 29, 2017 7:05:21 GMT
Rolling for ROF is one of the worst mechanics in the game. He has no guaranteed ranged output, whereas for a few points more, you get a guaranteed two stronger aoe shots. Then when you look at the fact it has dual-attack to increase its output when it gets stuck in, you could instead just take a Mauler and do better with the higher fury and the better animus. Basically, anything the Blitzer wants to do, we don't need him for. I hear you. Do you think he would be worth considering if his ROF went to 2-3 instead of the random d3? That would start fixing his problems, but I'm not entirely sure if it'd make him worth it. I'm liking some of the other suggestions in thread. Though in talking to someone earlier about it, he mentioned how the d3 ROF isn't as intrinsically crippling as it is on say, the Mammoth. At least the Blitzer can do more if he rolls low thanks to dual attack. But I'm rambling now. I think he's just kinda pulled in too many directions to be great.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Oct 29, 2017 10:14:13 GMT
I don't think they will change the gun. PP stick to their fluff too much. If they do, they have to change the Slugger unit as well.. And the gun works very well on the unit, since you have 5 ROF rolls, so it avereges out. That leaves price and/or animus. Make him 12 points and give him a usefull animus. Even Snipe would not be bad, so you have a good alternative to the bomber for that animus. If he could shoot stealth models I would field him a lot. That would fill a niche in Trollbloods that the faction seriously needs. Either by himself or via the animus. But does it make sense fluffwise that a mere Diretroll can do such things?? #Designspace
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gorsk
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Post by gorsk on Oct 29, 2017 12:33:51 GMT
It's a shame. I was so proud of how I magnetized the pygs riding on top of the dire troll kits.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 29, 2017 16:33:08 GMT
I do not see how making him 13 or 14 points would be an issue. Consider the CiD changes to the woldwarden, who has geomancy (more accurate and reliable and more utility than the slugger) naturally higher pow, native pathfinder, built in healing, magic weapons, and chain attack smite. With in faction buffs they typically cap close to the same P+S (rage plus stone= +4 and Enrage Plus random caster buff is also +4 swing) Overall a 13 Point blitzer would be excellent.
The only potential compensating factor for his points drop would probably have to be a drop to Fury 3. But he still seems like he would be an excellent combined arms heavy.
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Post by emb on Oct 29, 2017 23:26:56 GMT
I've always wanted to try a 6x Blitzer list with Grim2. Feat, magesight, mortality with Grim and then trample/bulldoze the Blitzers into position for an assassination. Or watch your opponent stay out of a possible 22" threat range and just mortality+shoot everything else to death.
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Post by grabsnikk on Oct 29, 2017 23:49:29 GMT
I think it would be great if he could have a way to ignore stealth and then give his gun flare. Tracer rounds would be a cool idea for the model.
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