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Post by Blargaliscious on Oct 20, 2017 21:49:33 GMT
Do you hear that swooshing sound? That is the sound of legs flashing through the air as people have a knee-jerk reaction.
Yes, BAHI is like what Forge World was back in the old days when Forge World *only* did big collectible stuff like titans and super heavy tanks. Now, if you start to see all of the PP stock show up on the online store, then the accusations of GW strategy stench will be warranted.
BAHI is an extension of their SKU management strategy. Where with the collosals they share a chassis, therefore they can be made into plastic kits and be packaged together, the gargantuans don't have a chassis to share. So what better way to manage SKU than to not create any? I'm not going to break out into some Disney-like song about this, but BAHI as presented really does make sense. Yeah, I don't like buying on their time-table, but I can't really argue with the logic of it knowing what I do of business and miniature production.
Theoretically BAHI will strip a revenue stream from the distributors and the FLGS by denying them the chance to sell these minis, but they are also doing them a favor by relieving them of the need to order expensive items that have a really slow turnover. It depends on how business savvy the store owner is. The smarter ones who will know to discount a bigger item that has been sitting around for too long - this will hurt them some. The dumb ones who will let really expensive 5+ year-old stock to continue to sit on their shelves expecting someone to come in and pay full price - this is doing them a favor, they just won't realize it.
BAHI might also be an attempt to re-purpose their pewter spincasting capabilities into resin spincasting as more and more of their high-volume kits become plastic. Their model range is already pretty well saturated with everything except for huge-based stuff, so this might also be part of their strategic plan to leverage existing production capability and to expand into an area where there is room for growth.
I'm not singing and dancing about this, but I'm not surprised about this either. More like: "It's about time."
Now if that Dracodile only had atomic fire breath...
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Post by gedditoffme on Oct 20, 2017 22:48:07 GMT
Can anyone explain why it costs so much to ship a small parcel to Australia? Other stores from US offer free shipping, reasonable time (~1-2weeks) and a discount to RRP. Around here it is really hard to order bits and exclusives from the store, minicrate turned out ridiculously priced, and we still haven't seen our Eilish models with NQ#1.
If I need to pay that sort of postage for Skarre3, I'll skip a model I've looked forward to for a while.
I know they say if you order early enough it will be free, but that seems a workaround to the fundamental problem. As does their repeated policies to kill online stores but protect B&Ms.
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Post by GumbaFish on Oct 20, 2017 23:23:08 GMT
Theoretically BAHI will strip a revenue stream from the distributors and the FLGS by denying them the chance to sell these minis, but they are also doing them a favor by relieving them of the need to order expensive items that have a really slow turnover. To be fair nobody is requiring local game store owners to stock gargantuans currently. This will not relieve them of some kind of SKU bloat, it will only deny them the ability to sell whatever models become direct only. I suspect that many stores carry a very limited selection of these models currently anyways, and that their percentage of sales is so small as to be inconsequential, but it is inaccurate to paint this as a favor to local shops because they have less inventory to carry. For larger shops which also have online storefronts I could envision this actually being something to gripe about but that is only speculation.
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Oct 20, 2017 23:42:59 GMT
I feel like this is Pp trying to relieve their own stress on producing large #'s of complex models. They won't need to make extras above and beyond what is ordered. Especially the Garg for the least populated hordes faction.
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Post by Cryptix on Oct 20, 2017 23:52:27 GMT
I'm not surprised about this considering even GW is having trouble producing models in these days (they literally ran out of power for mschines in Nottingham.)
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Post by proxy on Oct 21, 2017 1:06:52 GMT
I'm pretty neutral on this change. As it stands most of the Huge Base models at my LGS have been sitting around for months or longer. Those of us who wanted them pre-ordered them from our LGS. I want the new huge base coming out for Trolls and if my LGS is now cut out that sucks him for him I know it would have been two guaranteed sales for him(myself and one other are getting one). I will still support my LGS by ordering every thing else threw him and to help make up the difference I may buy some over price magnets for basing material. Not the end of the world. It is also probably better for him than ordering a third and having it sit on a shelf collecting dust until the big yearly sale where we all try and rush in an buy the huge based models for ~50% off.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Oct 21, 2017 1:58:50 GMT
Theoretically BAHI will strip a revenue stream from the distributors and the FLGS by denying them the chance to sell these minis, but they are also doing them a favor by relieving them of the need to order expensive items that have a really slow turnover. To be fair nobody is requiring local game store owners to stock gargantuans currently. This will not relieve them of some kind of SKU bloat, it will only deny them the ability to sell whatever models become direct only. I suspect that many stores carry a very limited selection of these models currently anyways, and that their percentage of sales is so small as to be inconsequential, but it is inaccurate to paint this as a favor to local shops because they have less inventory to carry. For larger shops which also have online storefronts I could envision this actually being something to gripe about but that is only speculation. Like I said, it depends on the shop. If the shop owner knows what he is doing: manages his inventory, keeps his carrying costs low, maximizes stock density, keeps the number of turns for his inventory high, matches his orders to the distributors to expected demand, flushes out excess big-ticket items down to minimum required stock levels after the demand has gone stagnant, etc. then this will negatively impact his revenue stream. In my experience, though, local game store owners are rarely like this. The only one that has shown any semblance of any business sense is the guy who owns my FLGS, but what this guy does is exceptionally atypical for an FLGS. Most game store owners see the value of their inventory - when they should be looking at how much inventory was sold per week, what part of their inventory has been selling recently, and what needs to be done with the inventory that has not been selling recently. There's a gaming store down in Houston, Texas that I visited a couple of times called Nan's Games & Comics Too back around 2008. *NOTHING* was ever put on sale to clear out inventory. Ever. The place was more like a gaming museum than a gaming store. Hey, would you like to buy a WH40K 2nd Ed. Space Wolves army box set? How about some 1st edition Shadowrun modules? It was so full of old crap that nobody wanted anymore that there was no room for new stuff. Yet, if you suggested to the owner that he put stuff on sale to make room and free up money he would steadfastly refused! After all, ~someone~ will eventually come in and buy this stuff at full price. (No, not really.) That is the mistake a lot of inexperienced shop owners make - they are so desperate to squeeze every penny out of every sale they a lot of times end up squeezing nothing out of a lot of their stock. That is the trap a lot of the huge-based stuff is: the potential for a significant profit is so big to the store owner it overwhelms their better judgement to realize that they should sell it at a discount, realize the smaller profits, and free up the money to re-invest in new stock that will sell. But, if PP takes all of the new huge-based stuff and sells it through BAHI then these dumb store owners don't get stuck. Like I said, it depends on the store.
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Post by jakal on Oct 21, 2017 2:22:54 GMT
Can anyone explain why it costs so much to ship a small parcel to Australia? Other stores from US offer free shipping, reasonable time (~1-2weeks) and a discount to RRP. Around here it is really hard to order bits and exclusives from the store, minicrate turned out ridiculously priced, and we still haven't seen our Eilish models with NQ#1. If I need to pay that sort of postage for Skarre3, I'll skip a model I've looked forward to for a while. I know they say if you order early enough it will be free, but that seems a workaround to the fundamental problem. As does their repeated policies to kill online stores but protect B&Ms. What? BAHI models ship free to Australia.
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Post by borderprince on Oct 21, 2017 4:00:54 GMT
So does this mean I have to buy big things from America? Because the Import Charges will be crippling. Unless it doesn't apply to the Rest of the World, or suppliers can buy from BAHI. This (and for those of us in the UK, we've got 18 more months before our cash-strapped government gets to start setting its own customs tariff, so we can probably look forward to that going up. Sorry to get borderline political, but it might be worth making orders to ensure stuff arrives before March 2019). And the extra time it will take non-US customers to get their stuff. Even if PP ships fast, it's unlikely non-US customers will get it as fast as when PP tries to have things available worldwide.
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Post by skormedlover87 on Oct 21, 2017 5:58:00 GMT
So does this mean I have to buy big things from America? Because the Import Charges will be crippling. Unless it doesn't apply to the Rest of the World, or suppliers can buy from BAHI. This (and for those of us in the UK, we've got 18 more months before our cash-strapped government gets to start setting its own customs tariff, so we can probably look forward to that going up. Sorry to get borderline political, but it might be worth making orders to ensure stuff arrives before March 2019). And the extra time it will take non-US customers to get their stuff. Even if PP ships fast, it's unlikely non-US customers will get it as fast as when PP tries to have things available worldwide. Then maybe the US will win at the ATC??? Seems like a plan to me!
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Post by droopingpuppy on Oct 21, 2017 9:07:15 GMT
Ha, after they understand that it is not possible to kill the online store and steal their place, they are making their own shop and forces to use it. Is there any diffrence with foul GW?
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Post by welshhoppo on Oct 21, 2017 9:08:49 GMT
So does this mean I have to buy big things from America? Because the Import Charges will be crippling. Unless it doesn't apply to the Rest of the World, or suppliers can buy from BAHI. This (and for those of us in the UK, we've got 18 more months before our cash-strapped government gets to start setting its own customs tariff, so we can probably look forward to that going up. Sorry to get borderline political, but it might be worth making orders to ensure stuff arrives before March 2019). And the extra time it will take non-US customers to get their stuff. Even if PP ships fast, it's unlikely non-US customers will get it as fast as when PP tries to have things available worldwide. I mean, provided that PP use this opportunity to reduce the prices of the colossals (due to not having to ship them out to be sold, etc.) then I don't mind having import charges shoved on the end of them. The same way that they got cheaper when they swapped from resin/metal to plastic. But they could easily half the price of the kits they sell directly, and still make the same amount of money per model. And probably sell more of them.
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Post by Miafan on Oct 21, 2017 10:25:53 GMT
The more time passes, the more I see that my decision to show PP middle finger and tell them what intimate action should they perform on themselves after initial MK3 failures became obvious was correct. Just two days ago I discussed with my friend who is still into it, how exciting and promising Dracodile is, and he actually bought in a huge stock of Blindwater models to start a new army just because of it. Today - surprise, surprise! Seriusly, PP makes everything to drive people away.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 21, 2017 20:57:07 GMT
Ha, after they understand that it is not possible to kill the online store and steal their place, they are making their own shop and forces to use it. Is there any diffrence with foul GW? They haven't made Age of Cygnar, the one die bring what you want to play game.
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Post by joedj on Oct 21, 2017 20:58:54 GMT
Online retailers were already significantly undercutting FLGS brick/mortar stores when it came to 120mm models. So this will probably affect online retailers more.
Even with our relatively stable and enthusiastic group at our venue, no one reports ever SPONTANEOUSLY buying a 120mm off the shelf, and many, sheepishly, noted buying from online retailers during super-sales. An in-venue $5-20 model blister or pack of cards spontaneously on game night, sure, but $100+ models, nope.
I do feel bad for international customers who may have to pay VAT or whatever. I pledge to help any Canadian fans, west of Saskatchewan (I live in WA state) to receive 'gift' packages if it prevents huge customs taxes!
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