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Post by ankiseth on Oct 16, 2017 20:36:28 GMT
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fanguad
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Post by fanguad on Oct 16, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
As someone who doesn't see much Cryx, what needs CID in Cryx besides maybe Ghost Fleet?
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Post by gobber on Oct 16, 2017 20:44:43 GMT
Slaughterfleet needs releases more than CIDs, though they share some models with Black Fleet. I suspect some of Black Fleet's CID will be light nerfs to account for Satyxis' omnipresence among cryx as well as the new models. Infernal machines is the main one I can think of that could actually use buffs.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Oct 16, 2017 20:48:09 GMT
The only solution is to nerf Khador.
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Post by streetpizza on Oct 16, 2017 20:48:31 GMT
You can buff infernal machine by nerfing ghost fleet The only solution is to nerf Khador. Or do that ... that always works
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Oct 16, 2017 21:01:40 GMT
Yay Cryx Buffs! Good job I am travelling New Zealand for all of November with hopefully no internet access
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 16, 2017 21:14:25 GMT
Whatever happened to the Blighted Ogrun? Anyone heard when they're supposed to come?
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Post by HubertJFarnsworth on Oct 16, 2017 21:19:05 GMT
Presumably it'll be next after Cryx.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 16, 2017 21:39:46 GMT
I Mean, a Denny1 nerf in the black fleet CID isn't out of the question, which would do a fair bit to kicking ghost fleet in the balls.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 16, 2017 21:42:18 GMT
I must admit, I'm a bit irked that it's Cryx again. I don't even understand why Slaughter Fleet and Black Fleet need to be separate themes, but I'm no expert on the fluff. I'd rather they do Blighted Ogrun next, work on Legion's internal balance, and make sure that they're still competitive. I think they are, it's just that they were crutching on Oracles just as hard as we were on POD.
Actually, if it were up to me, there would be no more CID this year. I'd focus on clearing the backlog of work, getting caught up on releases, Warmachine Weekend, and time off for the holidays. We can't even be sure who really needs attention right now because the meta is so volatile. So why not let everything simmer for a bit? See how WMW goes.
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Post by Big Fat Troll on Oct 16, 2017 21:49:02 GMT
I Mean, a Denny1 nerf in the black fleet CID isn't out of the question, which would do a fair bit to kicking ghost fleet in the balls. I know exactly what I would do, albeit with limited data. Denny's feat keeps the -2 penalties but loses everything else. I mean, not only are you being debuffed into oblivion, but you can't even use Combo Strike or Magic Ability? Huh? You get -2 SPD and can't charge- you can't even run? Seriously? You can't even freaking run? Or it could go the other way around, but that would cut too much into her whole identity. And the Coven needs a serious look. I do not like the idea of putting a time walk feat on a 9 focus caster with that toolkit.
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Post by mcdermott on Oct 16, 2017 21:56:50 GMT
Also the two are separate because given the choice of ogrun/humans and satyxis which do you think gets used exclusively?
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Post by Azuresun on Oct 16, 2017 22:17:54 GMT
I Mean, a Denny1 nerf in the black fleet CID isn't out of the question, which would do a fair bit to kicking ghost fleet in the balls. I know exactly what I would do, albeit with limited data. Denny's feat keeps the -2 penalties but loses everything else. I mean, not only are you being debuffed into oblivion, but you can't even use Combo Strike or Magic Ability? Huh? You get -2 SPD and can't charge- you can't even run? Seriously? You can't even freaking run? Or it could go the other way around, but that would cut too much into her whole identity. And the Coven needs a serious look. I do not like the idea of putting a time walk feat on a 9 focus caster with that toolkit. It'll probably never happen, but I think Deneghra1 could use a total, ground-up redesign. Her concept and rules come down to "negative play experience concentrated into one character", and how on earth can you make that into something that people will actually have fun playing against?
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Post by katio on Oct 16, 2017 23:33:49 GMT
I've said it since I began in wrath era. I will gladly sacrifice denny to make our other stuff interesting. There has always been a painful Denny tax.
Plus she's boring.
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boozy
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Post by boozy on Oct 16, 2017 23:54:39 GMT
"I've said it since I began in wrath era. I will gladly sacrifice denny to make our other stuff interesting. There has always been a painful Denny tax.
Plus she's boring." I agree, she does have several detrimental consequences to the faction merely for existing. At least she's out of the battle box. Cryx though has more than a few boring, or at least one-dimensional, warcasters. There's not much to Skarre1 or Terminus either. Venethrax was (maybe still is, I don't play him) a simple warcaster, and while I've never played any Goreshades, I think his earlier incarnations weren't terribly deep. Only Denny2, the Gaspies, Scaverous, the horrible piece of crap, Coven, and Shade3 really stood out as having any interesting games. That's an opinion of course. Looking forward to Skarre3. I have no idea if she'll be good, but she should be at least different from the rest, maybe even interesting.
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