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Post by Aegis on Oct 9, 2017 18:16:20 GMT
Proposed CID change:
How does Magic Weapon and Eyeless sight on any model for 5 points feel?
I think many Circle models would like that, what are your ideas?
The first thing I'm toying with in warroom is Tanith and Reeves of Orboros. I think they would like Eyeless Sight and Magic Weapon a lot.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 9, 2017 18:29:46 GMT
Proposed CID change: How does Magic Weapon and Eyeless sight on any model for 5 points feel? I think many Circle models would like that, what are your ideas? The first thing I'm toying with in warroom is Tanith and Reeves of Orboros. I think they would like Eyeless Sight and Magic Weapon a lot. all models in CRA would need eyeless for reeves to really like it. HOWEVER, eyeless sight on the majority of things in our faction is amazing. Ignoring stealth tends to be a weakness for wyrds and this resolves the issue for at least 1 woldwyrd or a fulcrum. Since it is only for one model I think it will not be that bad. But It is a big kick in the crotch for Denny 1 now All of hordes can now ignore her stealth haha.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 9, 2017 18:49:21 GMT
Proposed CID change: How does Magic Weapon and Eyeless sight on any model for 5 points feel? I think many Circle models would like that, what are your ideas? The first thing I'm toying with in warroom is Tanith and Reeves of Orboros. I think they would like Eyeless Sight and Magic Weapon a lot. all models in CRA would need eyeless for reeves to really like it. HOWEVER, eyeless sight on the majority of things in our faction is amazing. Ignoring stealth tends to be a weakness for wyrds and this resolves the issue for at least 1 woldwyrd or a fulcrum. Since it is only for one model I think it will not be that bad. But It is a big kick in the crotch for Denny 1 now All of hordes can now ignore her stealth haha. I finally get to have eyeless sight Archers in Legion! But on topic for Circle - Boil Master & Spirit Cauldron: This one is a pretty big one and will also (ever so slightly!) affect Grymkin. You can now collect non-faction corpses as well as pass corpses to non-faction models. Calling all Circle players, get your Kromac 2 games on and let us know how this goes! Than Ravagers and Whitemanes rejoice much?
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 9, 2017 18:53:00 GMT
I am not thinking the corpse change will be a big deal for circle. Kromac 2 is not tanky enough to play upfield and use the corpses much outside of healing. Its one of those "oh cool" Changes more than "O MUH GURSH CURPSES!"
I mean, you can have 1 eyeless sight archer. The rest just end up squinting wondering what the other guy is looking at.
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 9, 2017 18:55:55 GMT
I am not thinking the corpse change will be a big deal for circle. Kromac 2 is not tanky enough to play upfield and use the corpses much outside of healing. Its one of those "oh cool" Changes more than "O MUH GURSH CURPSES!" I mean, you can have 1 eyeless sight archer. The rest just end up squinting wondering what the other guy is looking at. Archers are nothing but a CRA unit. Rof 2, Pow 21, 19" walking threat, reroll miss, arching fire. I only need 1 eyeless sight archer. [Edit] I think. Now I've confused myself...
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 9, 2017 19:00:20 GMT
I am not thinking the corpse change will be a big deal for circle. Kromac 2 is not tanky enough to play upfield and use the corpses much outside of healing. Its one of those "oh cool" Changes more than "O MUH GURSH CURPSES!" I mean, you can have 1 eyeless sight archer. The rest just end up squinting wondering what the other guy is looking at. Archers are nothing but a CRA unit. Rof 2 Pow 21 19" walking threat, reroll miss, arching fire. I only need 1 eyeless sight archer. Oh wow...totally missed how stealth and eyeless sight work with a CRA. Ok now I see a use with reeves. Suck it stealth models. Use lynuss and edrea and the mist speaker to make super CRA's that scalpel cortxes...
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 9, 2017 19:13:40 GMT
I also think that eyeless sight would be nice for Tanith. Either for her gun or to give the (feat) arc node beast eyeless sight to hit a stealth unit with Affliction. Nothing over whelming but still a good bit of utility.
Wyrds, Wardens (Geomancy), Megalith (Geomancy), Fulcrum, WoldWrath, Raptor,
I can definitely see it as useful with Saeryn2 (I know, not circle) but she has Marked for death to remove incorp and stealth from a model/unit.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 9, 2017 19:39:29 GMT
I also think that eyeless sight would be nice for Tanith. Either for her gun or to give the (feat) arc node beast eyeless sight to hit a stealth unit with Affliction. Nothing over whelming but still a good bit of utility. Wyrds, Wardens (Geomancy), Megalith (Geomancy), Fulcrum, WoldWrath, Raptor, I can definitely see it as useful with Saeryn2 (I know, not circle) but she has Marked for death to remove incorp and stealth from a model/unit. Giving a wrath magic weapons would be nice, He would finally be like every other Model in Bones -__-
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Post by Lord_Randall on Oct 9, 2017 19:56:19 GMT
is more a detriment then a benefit...
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Post by oncomingstorm on Oct 9, 2017 19:59:47 GMT
I am not thinking the corpse change will be a big deal for circle. Kromac 2 is not tanky enough to play upfield and use the corpses much outside of healing. Its one of those "oh cool" Changes more than "O MUH GURSH CURPSES!" I mean, you can have 1 eyeless sight archer. The rest just end up squinting wondering what the other guy is looking at. Death Wolves in Wild Hunt. Free LoTF in CoTW under Kromac 2. Extra corpses in Dev host? Seems good to me!
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 9, 2017 22:05:26 GMT
I am not thinking the corpse change will be a big deal for circle. Kromac 2 is not tanky enough to play upfield and use the corpses much outside of healing. Its one of those "oh cool" Changes more than "O MUH GURSH CURPSES!" I mean, you can have 1 eyeless sight archer. The rest just end up squinting wondering what the other guy is looking at. Death Wolves in Wild Hunt. Free LoTF in CoTW under Kromac 2. Extra corpses in Dev host? Seems good to me! Oh I don't think it isn't good! I just don't think its a big deal for the most part. Death wolves in wild hunt is pretty awesome though! It adds some staying power to the theme that it lacks.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Oct 9, 2017 22:09:35 GMT
Death Wolves in Wild Hunt. Free LoTF in CoTW under Kromac 2. Extra corpses in Dev host? Seems good to me! Oh I don't think it isn't good! I just don't think its a big deal for the most part. Death wolves in wild hunt is pretty awesome though! It adds some staying power to the theme that it lacks. True, it's not as impactful as the mist speaker...but it's a lot more fun.
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Post by newangel on Oct 10, 2017 14:55:22 GMT
I actually feel the the impact will be about the same. I'm personally seeing a lot of value with the Death Wolves since they are late game pieces anyway. Going in with Corpse tokens to start not only makes them hit harder, but they also don't need to upset by an unfortunate tough roll and they become more survivable until they do decide to commit. The Wild Hunt or Devourers Host seem like strong places for them. The ability to drag a model in is also not to be underestimated - We have so many control effects as is and this just adds another layer.
While Kromac2 enjoys starting with Corpses I don't feel it will impact his game plan enough - he'll still be strong/weak into the same things, just a little stronger overall since his personal impact will be more meaningful.
CRA with the Reeves while 1 has Eyeless Sight (as far as I'm aware) doesn't work into Stealth models. Any attack that would automatically miss causes you to lose your contribution to a CRA. Stealth (and a few other things such as Lamentations of Suffering and Windwall) makes the CRA meaningless. What it does get around is targeting restrictions such as the Choir singing Passage. While this is obviously pretty cool, I don't think PoM is a faction that particularly troubles us, though the new themes may change that.
The big issue I foresee is making the right choice between 1 of several serious contenders for our Minion solo. Eilish, Mist Speaker and Longchops all offer really cool things, but they'll be taken to further specialize a list into specific matchups. Unlocking the themes will be huge with regards to matchups.
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Post by jisidro on Oct 10, 2017 15:07:04 GMT
Everyone being able to shoot us is a net lose compared to us shooting back IMO. I quite dislike this sort of solutions but more to the point... This looks like na ooops we made too many cloud walls moment... It'll be cool to have that option against cloud walls and while we don't have colossal type shooting being able to will have it's uses. The cauldron is cool, It'll cost 1 free solo + a beast in order to get a few corpse tokens for Kromac2 in CoW but puppet master is puppet master and an attack that pulls enemies is also a great tool. Krueger2 perhaps can get use out of the cauldron, he certainly likes the reroll.
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 10, 2017 15:12:37 GMT
Everyone being able to shoot us is a net lose compared to us shooting back IMO. I quite dislike this sort of solutions but more to the point... This looks like na ooops we made too many cloud walls moment... It'll be cool to have that option against cloud walls and while we don't have colossal type shooting being able to will have it's uses. The cauldron is cool, It'll cost 1 free solo + a beast in order to get a few corpse tokens for Kromac2 in CoW but puppet master is puppet master and an attack that pulls enemies is also a great tool. Krueger2 perhaps can get use out of the cauldron, he certainly likes the reroll. I mean legion already ignored stealth and other than our beasts our infantry that uses stealth and prowl dies to the average blast anyway. There are a lot of warmachine casters that can just ignore stealth. I feel like we are still stuck with wurmwood, and the baldurs (and sometime Krueger 1) for anti gun-line tech. Puppet master from ellish and the cauldron seems super legit with most of our casters! Also pretty pumped for Lynuss and edrea. Cloud removal and the healing, plus applied knowledge on reeves or a caster like Kromac 2 seems super legit.
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