regleant
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Post by regleant on Oct 7, 2017 17:40:57 GMT
My goal is something that can mulch Infantry from a distance, like what Cryx is brining these days. To do that, I chose models based on:
- A feat that expands Damage potential against infantry
- a caster safe from shooting
- units that can multiply attacks
- all around good skirmish unit
This led me to Reznik2 with Cleansers, Artillery, and Idrains.
War Room Army
Protectorate of Menoth - Reznik2 no Tier
Theme: No Theme Selected
75 / 75 Army
Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages - WJ: +29
- Devout - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9)
- Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16)
- Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4)
Kell Bailoch - PC: 5
Deliverer Arms Master - PC: 3
Wrack - PC: 1
Wrack - PC: 1
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
Deliverer Sunburst Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 5
Deliverer Sunburst Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 5
Idrian Skirmishers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide - Chieftain & Guide: 5
Flameguard Cleansers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Flameguard Cleanser Officer - PC: 4
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GENERATED : 10/07/2017 13:36:50
BUILD ID : 2050.17-09-10
I tried to fit into a theme, but nothing gave me the flexibility that I wanted. Thoughts?
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Post by djgibraltar on Oct 7, 2017 18:08:35 GMT
interesting list. what about in guardians. you lose the deliverers stuff but gain some free points and maybe if u replace the 2 sunburst with a unit of ambush daughters you can also go get a free nicia. Everything else fits.
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Post by djgibraltar on Oct 7, 2017 18:09:06 GMT
and you have another 3-5 pts to replace the arms master + 2 wracks
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Post by djgibraltar on Oct 7, 2017 18:10:02 GMT
but ya mmight be better out of theme
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Oct 7, 2017 18:26:52 GMT
I thought about Guardians, but then also lose out on Idrians as well as Sunbursts. I can replace them all with 2 units of Daughters...
Or I could run in the new theme only losing Cleansers. I do own Deliverers and Zealots, but neither seem as effective as Cleansers.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 7, 2017 18:36:18 GMT
I thought about Guardians, but then also lose out on Idrians as well as Sunbursts. I can replace them all with 2 units of Daughters... Or I could run in the new theme only losing Cleansers. I do own Deliverers and Zealots, but neither seem as effective as Cleansers. daughters wont help as much into cryx, they're undead and turn off a lot of guardian's tech. If this is the way you're going, I'd head into faithful masses instead. drop cleansers, add more idrians. Get the free sunbursts from idrian points, that alone puts you at +9 from your current setup. you can get a spray back with a repenter. Another anti-nfantry option with similar lists is actually feora 2. Guaranteed fire rolls means anything with fire gets 2 attempts and works as a soft counter to tough, and you can move around the fire to the key models without even hitting them (hello, eyriss/monks/etc.) At ARM 19 she'd pretty resistant to being shot, though admittedly not quite what reznik is. she's not fantastic but fits several of your bullets. |
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Post by govinator on Oct 19, 2017 15:16:06 GMT
You won't lose out on the Idrians, as guardians allows for a unit of mercs.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 19, 2017 16:49:07 GMT
You won't lose out on the Idrians, as guardians allows for a unit of mercs. but you DO lose artillery and free point potential. |
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Post by govinator on Oct 19, 2017 18:39:08 GMT
You won't lose out on the Idrians, as guardians allows for a unit of mercs. but you DO lose artillery and free point potential. Depends what you want I suppose. As hilarious as an AoE4 that causes a string of Aoe4's around it is, I don't know if I would want to take it. Vengeance on a unit of TFG seems like it could be pretty solid when paired with Idrians, both of them could cause disproportionate amounts of chaos to an opponent during reznik's feat. Sort of a case of quantity versus quality. |
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Post by streetpizza on Oct 19, 2017 19:12:30 GMT
Having two full units of deliverers in FM seems a lot better to me than having one unit of cleansers in a non themed list. Plus a bonus punch monk for good measure. conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0Oe71r22223kgb7m3B3B2_2S2S2W2W3G3HProtectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses (Reznik 2) Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Devout [9] - Reckoner [16] - Reckoner [16] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [3] Deliverer Arms Master [3] Kell Bailoch [5] Wrack [1] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13] Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [0(5)] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [0(5)] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5] Personally this is how I would build it though: conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0Oe71r223I9l3k3kgb2_2S2S2W2W3G3HProtectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses (Reznik 2) Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages [+29] - Devout [9] - Reckoner [16] - Scourge of Heresy [16] - Madelyn Corbeau, Ordic Courtesan [4] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [3] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [3] Deliverer Arms Master [3] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13] Deliverer Skyhammers (max) [13] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [0(5)] Deliverer Sunburst Crew [0(5)] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5] |
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Oct 20, 2017 2:43:01 GMT
I will wait to see what the final rules are on Deliverers. As is, I hate them with an undying passion. They are individually POW 8, which means you get POW 4 Blast damage. I get that Ghost Fleet uses low-ARM models, but even they have nothing to fear from Deliverers. You need to do larger CRA's to get work done, which feels too niche for me. 5-man CRA for a POW 9? so 2 POW 9 AOE's floating around the board?
Sunbursts Crews do make their points back, and I've enjoyed using them in my lists. Lighting things on fire, especially those Dug-In models, makes me smile.
Cleansers are similar - despite having no MAT / RAT buff in this list, they routinely intimidated my opponent and threatened things in ways that Idrians could not.
Swapping out Cleansers to add Deliverers post-CID final rules is certainly a possibility to go into theme, but I need to see that yes, Deliverers are actually worth taking.
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