cassus
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Post by cassus on Oct 4, 2017 12:09:06 GMT
I am currently very hyped up to run the Exalted theme and I am building my 2 units of immortals right now, however to get 3 free solos from the theme you have to take 3 full units of immortals. While Immortals are very good it restricts this themes battle group down to almost nothing because it eats up so many points.
Is it better to run 3 full units with UA to get the free points or is running 2 units with a beefier battlegroup the way to go? As I am still building mine I have not gotten a chance to test this so thoughts from those of you who have played it already would be very appreciated.
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zich
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Post by zich on Oct 4, 2017 12:39:04 GMT
Well what would you run in your battle group that would justify passing up on the third unit and the free stuff you get from it?
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cassus
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Post by cassus on Oct 4, 2017 13:01:04 GMT
An easy example would be another heavy, either one of the titans or an ardus and maybe a solo to even out the points.
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didder
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Post by didder on Oct 4, 2017 14:00:14 GMT
This is my plan, too. I only have 1 unit of Immortals so far. The third will have to wait a while mostly for money reasons. I think Zaal2 actually leverages a beefier battlegroup well. With him, I'd go with 2 cannoneers over Raiders to complement mage sight and give more melee punch which zaal2 often lacks. Death Rage is a decent effect as well.
Also, I plan on seriously experimenting with Zaadesh2 in Immortals. He especially with countercharge appreciates a much beefier battlegroup. Death Rage will complement Defensive Strike, Countercharge, and Retaliatory strike quite well.
Xerxis1 is another serious experiment Im planning with the them. With him, I'd go WE&SJ for star crossed. At least I think that's allowed. With the Advocate spending a soul for extra Def, stack that with Defender's Ward, and Star Crossed should be worthwhile.
Lastly, I'm expecting that someday not soon enough, Skorne will get another construct model of some kind. I'm pretty sure I can run the above to satisfactory results until that happens. Admittedly, though, the full 3 units of Immortals I think is the most powerful way to play the theme.
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cassus
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Post by cassus on Oct 4, 2017 14:18:43 GMT
In my list building so far Im thinking X1 is going to be the way to go. He just helps their melee output a lot outside of his feat turn and on his feat turn they are even more devastation.
X1
-Bronzeback
-Gladiator
AG
AG
Hakaar
Extoller Soulward
Extoller Soulward
Eilish
Immortal
-UA
Immortal
-UA
Immortal
-UA
Im honestly wondering if dropping the Bronzeback for some agonizers or Krea's would be a better move but support beast would mean I would have to include beast handlers to help with the furry management since he only has 5. Pow 15 greatsword from stir the blood are so good, I wish I could give it to more than 1 unit.
Im also toying around with the idea of a mak2 list but cant figure out how to make it work as well as this one seems like it would.
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Post by illrede on Oct 4, 2017 16:10:42 GMT
I am currently very hyped up to run the Exalted theme and I am building my 2 units of immortals right now, however to get 3 free solos from the theme you have to take 3 full units of immortals. While Immortals are very good it restricts this themes battle group down to almost nothing because it eats up so many points. Is it better to run 3 full units with UA to get the free points or is running 2 units with a beefier battlegroup the way to go? As I am still building mine I have not gotten a chance to test this so thoughts from those of you who have played it already would be very appreciated. The Sacral Vault is real thing, just make sure you have plan for it. |
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didder
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Post by didder on Oct 4, 2017 16:23:18 GMT
I think with Xerxis1, you don't need melee hitting power. Weapon master pow15's should do just fine if you time your feat well.
As for support, I'd recommend not going with krea's or agonizers. Too many threats get through the gaps on these effects. Immortals have to spread over a huge chunk of table, so the beasts' small zones of effect are very hard to work with in this list especially over, say, a beast brick. Instead, I'd recommend using Star Crossed from WE&SJ since it stacks with defenders ward or the Advocates Grave Wind. Or, better yet, just make your battle group all Cyclops Brutes. They can quickly range out ahead of the Immortals and do a great job at controlling the amount of Immortals you lose per turn, plus they're the best way to keep Xerxis1 alive. A defender's warded Brute is just crushingly difficult to remove. There's no better model for setting up a piece trade, and this army is slow enough that it's very important to do so.
As for a pairing, I'd recommend Makeda1 over Makeda2 in MoW. Carnage complements Xerxis1s' accuracy issues very well. She's just much more well-rounded than Makeda2. If her not dying shtick is circumvented or overwhelmed, she still has lots she can do where Makeda2 gets kinda stuffed. That said, Makeda2 is of course very powerful. Can't go wrong with her.
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cassus
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Post by cassus on Oct 4, 2017 17:28:08 GMT
I think with Xerxis1, you don't need melee hitting power. Weapon master pow15's should do just fine if you time your feat well. As for support, I'd recommend not going with krea's or agonizers. Too many threats get through the gaps on these effects. Immortals have to spread over a huge chunk of table, so the beasts' small zones of effect are very hard to work with in this list especially over, say, a beast brick. Instead, I'd recommend using Star Crossed from WE&SJ since it stacks with defenders ward or the Advocates Grave Wind. Or, better yet, just make your battle group all Cyclops Brutes. They can quickly range out ahead of the Immortals and do a great job at controlling the amount of Immortals you lose per turn, plus they're the best way to keep Xerxis1 alive. A defender's warded Brute is just crushingly difficult to remove. There's no better model for setting up a piece trade, and this army is slow enough that it's very important to do so. As for a pairing, I'd recommend Makeda1 over Makeda2 in MoW. Carnage complements Xerxis1s' accuracy issues very well. She's just much more well-rounded than Makeda2. If her not dying shtick is circumvented or overwhelmed, she still has lots she can do where Makeda2 gets kinda stuffed. That said, Makeda2 is of course very powerful. Can't go wrong with her. My default pairing with most things right now is Zaadesh2 IWH beast brick. It has yet to fail me and all the local Khador players hate it. I own both Mak1 and Mak2 but am still figuring out what themes they like. I own Mak3 as well but currently she just isnt worth using, I wish she was though I love her model and her immortal bodyguards! |
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psyllus
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Post by psyllus on Oct 5, 2017 0:02:53 GMT
Here's my three Exalted lists I'm currently working with: conflictchamber.com/#c9201b_-0Ifk4Ccu6u6u6v6H7y5Rft5Rft5U2NSkorne Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Exalted (Zaal 2) Zaal, the Ancestral Advocate [+29] - Cyclops Shaman [8] - Mammoth [38] Ancestral Guardian [0(5)] Ancestral Guardian [5] Extoller Soulward [3] Hakaar the Destroyer [0(7)] Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor [5] Immortals (max) [15] - Extoller Advocate [4] Immortals (max) [15] - Extoller Advocate [4] Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] conflictchamber.com/#c9201b_-0I4r4Ccu6u6u6v2Q6H5Rft5Rft5U2NSkorne Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Exalted (Zaal 1) Supreme Aptimus Zaal [+26] - Cyclops Shaman [8] - Mammoth [38] Ancestral Guardian [0(5)] Ancestral Guardian [5] Extoller Soulward [3] Feralgeist [2] Hakaar the Destroyer [0(7)] Immortals (max) [15] - Extoller Advocate [4] Immortals (max) [15] - Extoller Advocate [4] Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] conflictchamber.com/#c9201b_-0IgOeFeF4C5G6u6u6H5Rft5Rft5USkorne Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Exalted (Zaadesh 2) Lord Tyrant Zaadesh [+28] - Aradus Soldier [16] - Aradus Soldier [16] - Cyclops Shaman [8] - Titan Gladiator [15] Ancestral Guardian [0(5)] Ancestral Guardian [5] Hakaar the Destroyer [0(7)] Immortals (max) [15] - Extoller Advocate [4] Immortals (max) [15] - Extoller Advocate [4] Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5] |
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cassus
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Post by cassus on Oct 5, 2017 13:20:10 GMT
In all these lists, you use 2 units of immortals. How is that working so far? Do you feel you have enough guys on the board or do you mind that you get thinned out to quickly?
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Oct 5, 2017 13:51:02 GMT
Based on past experience loving Zaal1, I’d go with...
War Room Army
Skorne - Exalted test
Theme: The Exalted
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Supreme Aptimus Zaal - WB: +26
- Kovaas
- Aptimus Marketh - PC: 5
- Mammoth - PC: 38 (Battlegroup Points Used: 26)
Ancestral Guardian - PC: 5
Ancestral Guardian - PC: 5
Ancestral Guardian - PC: 0
Hakaar the Destroyer - PC: 0
Orin Midwinter, Rogue Inquisitor - PC: 5
Immortals - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Extoller Advocate - PC: 4
Immortals - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Extoller Advocate - PC: 4
Paingiver Beast Handlers - Leader & 3 Grunts: 5
THEME: The Exalted
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GENERATED : 10/05/2017 09:50:21
BUILD ID : 2050.17-09-10
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cassus
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Post by cassus on Oct 8, 2017 1:05:13 GMT
I tired my three unit immortals list tonight into circle tonight and got wrecked, I lost 15 immortals turn 2 to shooting with Morghoul3 as my caster, 9 out of one unit alone. I think going to 2 units and living with only getting 2 free models but having a beefier battle group is the right option.
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Post by sentinel on Oct 8, 2017 5:03:37 GMT
... or play zaal2
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boozy
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Post by boozy on Oct 8, 2017 18:26:34 GMT
Try this as a spin on Exalted. It's not about maximizing free points, but getting just enough to augment and cover for your battlegroup.
Zaadesh2
Exalted Theme
Titan Sentry x2
Gladiator
Bronzeback
Agonizer
Immortal+UA
PGBH min x2
AG
Hakaar
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psyllus
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Post by psyllus on Oct 8, 2017 21:47:22 GMT
In all these lists, you use 2 units of immortals. How is that working so far? Do you feel you have enough guys on the board or do you mind that you get thinned out to quickly? It's working lovely so far. Remembering to make liberal use of Grave Wind helps immensely. Combo GW with a few well-placed Burning Ash clouds from Zaadesh2 and you have Immortals at DEF 15 vs melee. I don't own a third unit of Immortals, but I don't think I see a need for them, either. I like having a few solid beasts to back up the P+S 13s of the infantry. |
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