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Post by Demeritus on Sept 29, 2017 22:03:27 GMT
So with the updated themes and the new Dawnguard theme, how does everyone feel this will do for us (initial and kneejerk reactions obviously?)
I am pleased with the changes to Shadows and Defenders. I still don't see many other casters outside of V2 using forges and I'm not quite sure what to make of the Dawnguard theme. Obviously it has future releases planned, but as is how do you all feel?
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Sept 29, 2017 23:24:32 GMT
+2" to deployment and like 8 free points.... excuse me while I go throw up.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 29, 2017 23:33:19 GMT
And pow 15 flanking griffons
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tanan
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Post by tanan on Sept 29, 2017 23:34:00 GMT
I don't know about you but starting a game with Haunting melody on Dahlia or Mirage on Nyss seem powerful.
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Post by Deadneck on Sept 29, 2017 23:35:28 GMT
Not a fan of the Defenders change. I would rather have seen a Vyre/Nyss theme rather than have them feel like they've just been thrown in Defenders because they had to be in a theme to check the box.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 29, 2017 23:51:09 GMT
Nothing says they wont get one later but vyre/nyss has issues, and neither one has enough models to go it alone.
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isotope
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Post by isotope on Sept 30, 2017 0:03:08 GMT
Not a fan of the Defenders change. I would rather have seen a Vyre/Nyss theme rather than have them feel like they've just been thrown in Defenders because they had to be in a theme to check the box. I think the nyss would have had a better home in Shadows. Shadows had more of a gap. Maybe shadows could give Nyss Prowl... that would be cool CID request to get Nyss in shadows and they gain prowl.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Sept 30, 2017 3:30:36 GMT
I feel like this didnt really change anything for us. It made our one already really general theme even broader and our other themes are better but still really skewed. I still feel like the majority of armies will be in defenders simply because it's so broad.
As for Nyss in shadows I feel like the Hunters are already too close to MHSF and so never got taken. I feel the contrast between Hunters/Rilfemen and Halbs and Defenders is big enough to warrant both.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 30, 2017 3:30:56 GMT
Dawnguard all er day! Flank to griffons? Yes please! pVyros feat and theme ability, flank for days son!
It's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and we're all outta gum...
Been waiting a long time for this, can ya'll tell? Hahaha
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dagowit
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Post by dagowit on Sept 30, 2017 6:06:47 GMT
Allowing Nyss Hunters in Forges will open it up to casters who need more infantry (like Vyros1). Allowing Lanyssa Ryssyl gives it more threat and damage output. The change is significant.
Ironically, the theme for Dawnguard seems to do more for non-Nyarr 'casters. Thyron and Elara2 love extra benefits on Marshalled 'jacks (they have non-Battlegroup buffs). I am also somewhat pleased that the old fluff about Dawnguard training with Myrmidons is reflected in actual game rules.
Defenders and Shadows simply got more options (I feel Defenders is becoming our Irregulars theme. It contains almost everything). This isn't bad but it doesn't change theme themes dramatically, IMHO.
Like everyone else, I had hoped for a Vyre Theme. It would give us another place for the AFG and with Christmas releases it should be viable. Let's hope there is a Vyre or Nyss theme coming when we get new models (although it will probably be a while).
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Post by Deadneck on Sept 30, 2017 6:50:13 GMT
Nothing says they wont get one later but vyre/nyss has issues, and neither one has enough models to go it alone. I should clarify in case I was too vague. I mean a theme that consists of both Vyre and Nyss, which after the Christmas releases should have enough to be workable as a theme. Thematically I would put them together because Ghyrrshyld is basically the champion of Nyssor now, and so it makes sense that the Nyss would ally themselves with his house.
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bluebeard
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 30, 2017 13:31:58 GMT
I prefer Shyeel over Vyre. Shyeel warjacks are dangerous, elegant and beautiful. Vyre's look like a bunch of hunchbacks, scrapped together with whatever pieces they could find. Plus no force field? Might as well steal and use a round ear monstrosity. Haha, sorry. I let my rping and fluff love get in the way of facts. On a serious note; I prefer to have themes released for what we have now, compared to what is yet to come. Another thought: With the Nyss Hunters available for all themes, will they out shine the invictors for places in lists?
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Post by mergar on Sept 30, 2017 16:22:57 GMT
I love the Theme benefits. Our marshalled Jacks are already good thanks to arcanists, with Flank Dawnguard it is downright crazy. Forget Griffons on the scyir, invest in Hydras. Keeps focus and under Elara comes crashing in at Mat 8 Pow 21 Weaponmaster with a free charge. To a Arcane shielded Stormwall that has an expected Damage Value of about 60 boxes. 60! I feel like I'm taking Crazy pills! It's almost like all our Jacks got Gang Fighter! Almost! (Kinda. I'm joking (kinda), don't start a flamewar)
Also, don't forget we can always have a free Eyriss now. Enjoy 20 free points in Defenders. Building lots of lists now, hyped for a new meta
Edits: realized Crush gives one more attack. Crazytown!
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Sept 30, 2017 18:08:14 GMT
Ironically I feel like Vyros likes the the Dawnguard theme the least.
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Post by GreatBigTree on Sept 30, 2017 18:21:05 GMT
I love the Theme benefits. Our marshalled Jacks are already good thanks to arcanists, with Flank Dawnguard it is downright crazy. Forget Griffons on the scyir, invest in Hydras. Keeps focus and under Elara comes crashing in at Mat 8 Pow 21 Weaponmaster with a free charge. To a Arcane shielded Stormwall that has an expected Damage Value of about 51 boxes. 51! I feel like I'm taking Crazy pills! It's almost like all our Jacks got Gang Fighter! Almost! (Kinda. I'm joking (kinda), don't start a flamewar) Also, don't forget we can always have a free Eyriss now. Enjoy 20 free points in Defenders. Building lots of lists now, hyped for a new meta I was also looking at Hydras. Flank + Crush + Arcanist, plus an extra attack for each hit it survives? That's some serious spot removal. I was thinking Kaelyssa, to give auto-hits, and Blur for Sentinels.
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