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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 1, 2017 5:03:29 GMT
Ignite only works on melee. Only way spears got to PS 19 was Thags 1. Which is still a very viable way to build. |
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Post by gobber on Oct 1, 2017 5:11:04 GMT
Are there any other casters that like blight wasps enough to go full bore and qualify for five free things (29 free points)? There's definitely a serious case to be made for at least one unit of wasps to take you to the 80pts of free stuff breakpoint. Also doable in ravens.
Kallus, Wrath of Everblight [+30] [Theme] Primal Terrors (16 wasps, 26 ogrun, 2 hellmouths)
- Blight Wasps [8]
- Blight Wasps [8]
- Blight Wasps [8]
- Blight Wasps [8]
Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9]
Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9]
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15]
- Warspear Chieftain [5]
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15]
- Warspear Chieftain [5]
Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15]
- Warspear Chieftain [0(5)]
Warmonger War Chief [0(6)]
Warmonger War Chief [0(6)]
Hellmouth [0(6)]
Hellmouth [0(6)]
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Post by drakkenblut on Oct 1, 2017 8:12:35 GMT
Vengeance on Warmongers - meh, they still suck.
+2 deployment on Hellmouth, hell yeah!
As for Minion allowance, Im thinking Valkyries, because of Shield Guard. That segues nicely into taking an Ogrun Bokur for the Minion solo slot.
Actually I will try this army build, I do not have high hopes for it, but it seems doable, and for once I do not start with Legion army building by setting aside 16 points for Anyssa and two Deathstalkers.
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Post by Lanz on Oct 1, 2017 8:15:42 GMT
Ignite only works on melee. Only way spears got to PS 19 was Thags 1. True. In restrospect, it seems likely that Thagrosh1 is going to just be better than Kallus in this regard anyways. He'll also run theChosen of Everblight better, since Kallus doesn't do anything for their survival (though he does buff their mount attacks, which Thagrosh1 does not). Are there any other casters that like blight wasps enough to go full bore and qualify for five free things (29 free points)? Also doable in ravens Kallus, Wrath of Everblight [+30] [Theme] Primal Terrors (16 wasps, 26 ogrun, 2 hellmouths) - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftain [5] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftain [5] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftain [0(5)] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Hellmouth [0(6)] Hellmouth [0(6)] Bethayne immediately springs to mind. There were similar ideas to exploit Blight Wasps counting as units back when Ravens first dropped. Flanking warspears on a target with -2 ARM can't be the worst thing around, afterall. |
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Post by drakkenblut on Oct 1, 2017 8:24:07 GMT
Are there any other casters that like blight wasps enough to go full bore and qualify for five free things (29 free points)? Also doable in ravens Kallus, Wrath of Everblight [+30] [Theme] Primal Terrors (16 wasps, 26 ogrun, 2 hellmouths) - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] - Blight Wasps [8] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftain [5] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftain [5] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftain [0(5)] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Hellmouth [0(6)] Hellmouth [0(6)] I do appreciate a good min-maxing, but man, where will you transfer? You have to cut down on something, get a Harrier in there just so Kallus can survive. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 8:27:27 GMT
Not trying to rain on your ogrun parade Lanz, just wanted to point it out. PS 19 melee, PS 17 spears still do plenty of work. Kallus helps a few if he gets close enough with unyielding. And his feat jams hard. It's still good with him.
That list is gross. I may try it. Just for sh*ts and giggles.
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Post by gobber on Oct 1, 2017 8:34:00 GMT
Bethayne immediately springs to mind. There were similar ideas to exploit Blight Wasps counting as units back when Ravens first dropped. Flanking warspears on a target with -2 ARM can't be the worst thing around, afterall. Sadly she's only got 20 WBP which isn't enough to get a fifth free thing. And drakkenblut good call, switching to a max unit of warmongers frees up three points for the harrier |
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Post by Lanz on Oct 1, 2017 8:34:36 GMT
Not trying to rain on your ogrun parade Lanz, just wanted to point it out. PS 19 melee, PS 17 spears still do plenty of work. Kallus helps a few if he gets close enough with unyielding. And his feat jams hard. It's still good with him. That list is gross. I may try it. Just for sh*ts and giggles. Honestly, I probably should have considered it first anyways. I never had a Kallus1 list work really well without Legionnaires, and until those are fixed, I feel Kallus1 will fall behind Thagrosh1 most of the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:01:34 GMT
Yeah I prefer more models for the feat with Kallus 1. I miss my BB, double swordsmen, grotesques, double hellmouth build. Themes have left kallus 1 in weird place.
Thags is so much more flexible.
I have been messing around with a rhyas build I find interesting. Not tournament worthy maybe, but certainly worth some proxy time.
War Room Army
Legion of Everblight - rhyas
Theme: Primal Terrors
2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Rhyas, Sigil of Everblight - WB: +30
- Blightbringer - PC: 38 (Battlegroup Points Used: 30)
- Neraph - PC: 12
- Raek - PC: 8
Warmonger War Chief - PC: 0
Warmonger War Chief - PC: 0
Eilish Garrity, the Occultist - PC: 5
Blighted Ogrun Warmongers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 15
Blighted Ogrun Warmongers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 15
Hellmouth - Hellmouth & 3 Tentacles: 6
Hellmouth - Hellmouth & 3 Tentacles: 6
THEME: Primal Terrors
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GENERATED : 10/01/2017 01:57:07
BUILD ID : 2050.17-09-10
Lots of non linear threat. Not necessarily gonna crack a brick, but feat shenanigans will get gross. Puppet master on rhyas is great.
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Post by gobber on Oct 1, 2017 17:35:06 GMT
Four free things actually looks like a decent thagrosh build:
Thaggy +28 Primal Terrors
Carnivean 19
Blight Wasps 8
Harrier 3
Warspears+UA
Warspears+UA
Warspears+UA (free)
Min Warmongers
Min Warmongers
Warmonger War chief (free)
Hellmouth (free)
Hellmouth (free)
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Post by rhonlore on Oct 1, 2017 17:44:58 GMT
Gobber: Wouldn't it be better to do Max Warmongers, Min Spears thanks to Vengeance? Curious.
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Post by gobber on Oct 1, 2017 18:03:14 GMT
I am leery of min spears due to the expense of the UA and that they're likely to get draconic blessing. Warmongers don't take str buffs as efficiently anyway, and delivering a single warmonger can still be relevant with berserk.
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Post by Swampmist on Oct 1, 2017 18:22:01 GMT
I think that kallus actually wants warmongers. While they do less damage than warspears on the charge, vengeance plus feat makes it super punishing to even attack them, since you'll still be contesting whatever they were in and whatever lives gets vengeance.
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Post by maximumhippo on Oct 2, 2017 3:53:00 GMT
I know Kallus and Rhyas are sort of the premier infantry casters but has anyone else considered Kryssa with this theme? Repo[3] on warspears + vengeance on warmongers give both units an extra bit of movement, feat makes everything on the opponent's side die, Ashen veil can hide a unit that can't stay in the BB aura. conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0-g3fub9bcbcb5b5b8csb8csfTfTLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Primal Terrors (Kryssa 1) Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31] - Blightbringer [38] The Forsaken [4] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftan [5] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftan [5] Hellmouth [0(6)] Hellmouth [6] |
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Oct 2, 2017 11:21:43 GMT
I know Kallus and Rhyas are sort of the premier infantry casters but has anyone else considered Kryssa with this theme? Repo[3] on warspears + vengeance on warmongers give both units an extra bit of movement, feat makes everything on the opponent's side die, Ashen veil can hide a unit that can't stay in the BB aura. conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0-g3fub9bcbcb5b5b8csb8csfTfTLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Primal Terrors (Kryssa 1) Kryssa, Conviction of Everblight [+31] - Blightbringer [38] The Forsaken [4] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Warmonger War Chief [0(6)] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warmongers (min) [9] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftan [5] Blighted Ogrun Warspears (max) [15] - Warspear Chieftan [5] Hellmouth [0(6)] Hellmouth [6] Considered it? Yes. I might as well change my user name to Kryssa_fan. I would not say there is anything wrong with the idea. But I've gotten so accustomed to the way I play Kryssa that anything apart from that just seems like nonsense. That being said I would not loose Azrael for a few warmongers. The forsaken will never have anything to do since Kryssa will need his full 5 every turn. You can likely get by with a single hellmouth after dropping the warmongers. But that's just the way I had it built. |
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