zich
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Post by zich on Sept 30, 2017 4:52:31 GMT
The cats theme will be crazy strong. But not nearly as broken as Cryx. You don't really need to tech against it that much (bring Grievous OR lots of attacks OR continuous effects), so it should at least be bearable.
I'm liking this approach so far:
War Room Army Skorne - Makeda2 Theme: Masters of War 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Supreme Archdomina Makeda - WB: +27 - Basilisk Krea - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Archidon - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Archidon - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1
Praetorian Ferox - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Praetorian Ferox - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 Cataphract Cetrati - Leader & 5 Grunts: 18 - Tyrant Vorkesh - PC: 0 Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer - Tyrant & Bearer: 0 Praetorian Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 - Praetorian Swordsman Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 0 Legends of Halaak - Valgesh, CIdaar & J'Deth: 8
THEME: Masters of War ---
GENERATED : 09/30/2017 06:51:53 BUILD ID : 2050.17-09-10
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Sept 30, 2017 5:04:23 GMT
It's a very odd feeling to be a Cryx player who's more worried about Skorne than Cygnar.
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benkei
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Post by benkei on Sept 30, 2017 5:05:13 GMT
Does anyone else think it's weird that EVERY theme now has access to mercs/minions. Regardless of how fundamentally restrictive the theme? And not just access to some but to all(with the evident exception of Khador?)? Seems strange that lists built on "Only Jacks" can take merc units. Also I expect Rhupert to be everywhere. Gotta sell those models, man... probably when they sell enough they'll nerf everything. It's theme lists, but hey, not so thematic that we don't try to sell models even when they make absolutely 0 sense in the theme. Also, Firetruck merc players.
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Sept 30, 2017 6:20:00 GMT
Now now, no swearing at people unless you're face to face. Then they can see you smiling and know you don't mean it. Or they can punch you in the face.
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faelin
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Post by faelin on Sept 30, 2017 7:00:45 GMT
Do kitty cats get a boost? Ya. But I dont see that boost being overwhelming. Double cats will net you ?two? Tyrants. That's good, but it's only 12 points good. The FTP is also nice, but situational.
I still think Cryx came out on top for goodness. With Legion coming out on bottom. I don't like their themes that much. Some of their restrictions are significant with limited in return.
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benkei
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Post by benkei on Sept 30, 2017 7:31:53 GMT
I meant PP tells merc players "Firetruck you, everybody gets their choice of YOUR models in their themes, but you won't"
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Post by snotling on Sept 30, 2017 7:56:52 GMT
And? Mercs/Minions are Mercs/Minions first, and seperate factions second. Hence the names. You cant choose them, and then be offended when other factions get to take your stuff....
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cain
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Post by cain on Sept 30, 2017 8:04:42 GMT
I cant believe they nerfed several things, several which was unneeded, and then left cryx uncanged
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on Sept 30, 2017 8:20:57 GMT
I meant PP tells merc players "Firetruck you, everybody gets their choice of YOUR models in their themes, but you won't" And oddly enough, Mercs can use two Protectorate units in Laelese resistance better than the Protectorate can. They get pathfinder because they become laelese.
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benkei
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Post by benkei on Sept 30, 2017 8:23:27 GMT
They also can't use 80% of the merc roster, and only 4 casters... find me a more restrictive theme in any faction
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Post by jisidro on Sept 30, 2017 8:44:06 GMT
Couple if questions... Sorry if they have been answered.
Let's say a Ret theme chooses Eyriss as his merc solo choice. Can he take her for free because she is a partisan?
Can Khador, protectorate and cygnar always take their "make the unit faction" CA because the merc unit specifies it can take attachments?
Can circle take the shifting stone CA for free in Call of the wild?
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Post by jisidro on Sept 30, 2017 8:47:55 GMT
Fantastic... 1) They have nerfed Heavy Metal (now it gives a solo every 30 points of jacks instead of 25). Also, its one of the few lists that can't include a merc Solo... 2) They have updated Storm Division in a stupid way, with Acosta being now FF, but being removed by the list of allowed models, so practically they removed it from the theme since noone is going to take Acosta over Pyper or Ragman. 3) They have removed Squire from Sons of Tempest and kept the stupid bonus of the free upkeep, that practically is useful only with Caine1, ignoring all other good suggestions. GG PP, 3 nerfs just after another 3 big nerfs (Haley2, Lances, Laddermoore). They really don't have the concept of "nerf a thing and see how it is", they let over the curve things be there for months (Lances) and then pile up 6 nerfs in a couple of weeks... Sons can take sylys or the gobber as attachments. So can Graveddigers.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 30, 2017 9:17:12 GMT
It's a very odd feeling to be a Cryx player who's more worried about Skorne than Cygnar. I'd be a little concerned about blindwater too.
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Post by darkangeldentist on Sept 30, 2017 9:23:35 GMT
Looking at the themes I can help but feel a little annoyed, frustrated and disappointed. Reading the themes just reminds me of the GW days when codices were written predominately under the control of different people who had very different ideas about what was balanced and/or effective on the table. Not to mention different views on what counted as 'thematic'.
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Post by Azuresun on Sept 30, 2017 9:59:43 GMT
Still don't understand why Khador is the only faction who was limited to non-character merch soloes (in Winterguard Kommand) and non-character units (in Iron Legion). WK literally has 2 solo options; The Tinker and the Bokur (because we want shield guard in the theme that gives sac pawn right?). We are the only faction to get that stipulation to. Hope its an oversight. Maybe because is a moment of lucidty, they realised the Vlad1 gunline needed to be kept far away from Aiyana and Reinholdt?
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