gordo
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Post by gordo on Mar 27, 2017 17:46:25 GMT
I don't ever see her in any lists, I'm curious to see what (if any) collective wisdom people have to share about her. I think her ability to run away after melee should be able to be used to help us "cheat" piece-trades, which as far as I can tell, should be a Legion strength given all of our movement options.
Has anyone had much success with her? I've not seen her in any tournament lists.
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Post by rhonlore on Mar 27, 2017 18:17:13 GMT
I've enjoyed having the Hellmouth in her lists. Great targets for arc nodes and icy grip.
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Post by ZeroHour-guest on Mar 27, 2017 18:22:35 GMT
I saw some minor success with her in a small local steamroller. the list was basically typhon, scythean, 2 angels, a seraph, a hellmouth and fury management. I was able to alpha down a hyperion under Hylena's feat and avoid any meaningful retaliation. Its a good list when it works, the problem with it comes when you need to play the list into something that can threaten your caster. Vayl1 has very bad defensive stats and boxes, and she can't move from her feat any more, so avoid some assassination runs can be impossible while still contribution incite at times. She has some tech vs aggressive melee plays with dark sentinel, but other then that not much in the way of defensive tech. I'm not sure if anyone else has had more meaningful success with her, but she can work in the right meta.
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Post by norka19 on Mar 27, 2017 18:41:38 GMT
I've enjoyed having the Hellmouth in her lists. Great targets for arc nodes and icy grip. She doesn't have that spell...
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Post by rhonlore on Mar 28, 2017 0:17:04 GMT
I've enjoyed having the Hellmouth in her lists. Great targets for arc nodes and icy grip. She doesn't have that spell... True enough, I meant Frost Field, which in context of casting on your Hellmouth makes more sense.
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Mar 28, 2017 4:38:19 GMT
I've found it hard to find a reason to put her on the table in Mk III. So much of her power came from increaing threat ranges with Leash and combining the hit and run feat with Incite.
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Mar 28, 2017 12:11:05 GMT
I've found it hard to find a reason to put her on the table in Mk III. So much of her power came from increaing threat ranges with Leash and combining the hit and run feat with Incite. Same here. I've had a couple of games with her here and there but it just feels... bad. In comparison to the powerhouse that she was in MK2 anyway. I think if she got some sort of replacement for just straight up losing Rampager I'd feel a lot better. Doesn't have to be a spell that's anywhere near as good, anything would be appreciated even if it's something trash like Razorwind. Maybe she feels a lot stronger in Oracles or even Children of the Dragon. Personally I can't find the time to put her on the table with all the other casters that are just brilliant right now. Fyanna2, Lylyth3, Vayl2, Abby2, Kallus1.
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Post by Korianneder on Mar 28, 2017 12:17:49 GMT
I've found it hard to find a reason to put her on the table in Mk III. So much of her power came from increaing threat ranges with Leash and combining the hit and run feat with Incite. Same here. I've had a couple of games with her here and there but it just feels... bad. In comparison to the powerhouse that she was in MK2 anyway. I think if she got some sort of replacement for just straight up losing Rampager I'd feel a lot better. Doesn't have to be a spell that's anywhere near as good, anything would be appreciated even if it's something trash like Razorwind. Maybe she feels a lot stronger in Oracles or even Children of the Dragon. Personally I can't find the time to put her on the table with all the other casters that are just brilliant right now. Fyanna2, Lylyth3, Vayl2, Abby2, Kallus1. You shouldn't compare her to her Mk2 version because that model no longer exists in the game. You have to look at the model as she exists now. She plays a very hit and run style of game. I want to try her with models that already have movement shenanigans like sprint or reposition and then the feat lets them move even farther away. Since it also isn't dependent on the number of enemy models anymore you can take lots of infantry and they all get the feat move so some can jam and others can back up outside of threat ranges. Frost field on swordsmen is awesome.
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Mar 28, 2017 12:58:09 GMT
Yeah, I'm well aware that comparisons to MK2 aren't really valid when determining if a model has a role in the new version of the game. I'm more just saying that it feels bad playing a caster who just doesn't feel the same anymore. It's why I don't play Thagrosh2 these days either. Other casters feel more fun to play.
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Post by LordGrimskull on Mar 28, 2017 13:04:24 GMT
I've had luck with her in a control heavy game:
2 hellmouth Proteus Neraph BFS (Samples)
Instead of moving in to incite I drag the enemy to it.
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Post by norka19 on Mar 28, 2017 14:36:10 GMT
I don't have the nephlims to make it work (nor will I buy them) but I think she could make a children list work well. Swordsmen or raptors combined with soldiers punching above their weight class. Making bolt throwers shoot rat 7 pow 16 guns and probably 2 protectors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 15:01:43 GMT
Mayby she gets back into the game when our battle engine ist re-designed. It has a huge base to hide behind...
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Post by DakRamsin on Mar 28, 2017 17:40:20 GMT
Battle Engine, eh? That's not a bad idea.
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Post by Cheesebeard on Mar 28, 2017 18:14:10 GMT
The problem with Vayl1 right now is that you have to spend a lot of effort keeping her alive, or just sacrifice her ability to use Incite. Themes could give her some game, but she loses some pretty important tech in doing so, especially with Vayl *still* having no character beast. Her spot in pairings used to cover up a lot of her problems, but the meta hasn't settled in a way that has given her much room to breathe.
Entirely losing a spell was a low blow... combined with not being able to move on feat, she has been put quite a ways behind the leaders in the faction, and things are changing quickly enough that she hasn't gotten much attention because of her shortcomings.
Could you still play her, and do well? Sure. I think Hellmouth is a big deal for her. She just lost a lot of what made her so great/popular, the meta hasn't provided her with a great spot in pairings, and her game plans just tend to be a bit fragile.
I have a bunch of lists with her, but they don't feel very exciting when I am facing down competitive pairings.
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Mar 28, 2017 20:40:24 GMT
Same here. I've had a couple of games with her here and there but it just feels... bad. In comparison to the powerhouse that she was in MK2 anyway. I think if she got some sort of replacement for just straight up losing Rampager I'd feel a lot better. Doesn't have to be a spell that's anywhere near as good, anything would be appreciated even if it's something trash like Razorwind. Maybe she feels a lot stronger in Oracles or even Children of the Dragon. Personally I can't find the time to put her on the table with all the other casters that are just brilliant right now. Fyanna2, Lylyth3, Vayl2, Abby2, Kallus1. You shouldn't compare her to her Mk2 version because that model no longer exists in the game. You have to look at the model as she exists now. She plays a very hit and run style of game. I want to try her with models that already have movement shenanigans like sprint or reposition and then the feat lets them move even farther away. Since it also isn't dependent on the number of enemy models anymore you can take lots of infantry and they all get the feat move so some can jam and others can back up outside of threat ranges. Frost field on swordsmen is awesome. You see I don't get that reasoning at all. I've got plenty of experience playing Vayl 1, why should I ignore that experience because of a few changes? Mk II Vayl 1 is still a more accurate comparsion to Mk III Vayl 1 than any other caster.
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