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Post by psycomonky on Sept 25, 2017 19:33:46 GMT
Covered? I don't see those boundaries on any other faction... Is there a theme that says non-Nightmare or Non-thorn warjacks? It's exactly the same. Retributions's warjack theme only allows half the warjacks. I suspect their next warjack theme will only allow the other half. Same thing. I agree that it is obnoxious but in circle i think it will work out that you want one or the other as the support models only support half the beasts anyways.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 25, 2017 19:37:43 GMT
Covered? I don't see those boundaries on any other faction... Is there a theme that says non-Nightmare or Non-thorn warjacks? It's exactly the same. Retributions's warjack theme only allows half the warjacks. I suspect their next warjack theme will only allow the other half. Same thing. I agree that it is obnoxious but in circle i think it will work out that you want one or the other as the support models only support half the beasts anyways. Oh, great! We get the same number of models as everyone else but half the utility! Yay!
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Post by cainuslupus on Sept 25, 2017 21:11:23 GMT
Not quite the same. As far as I'm aware, all non-character nephalim are light beasts and there are what, three or four of them. No, not the same but similar. There are 6 total worlds... 1 gargant, 2 heavies, character heavy, 2 lights... The third light releases in 2 months. Except non character Nephilims are support/utility by nature (except Soldiers, no one knows what they're supposed to be). You have far better options in Bones. Don't moan.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 25, 2017 21:48:34 GMT
Baulder has two entirely different tiers that benefit non-living heavies more. He is covered. Covered? I don't see those boundaries on any other faction... Is there a theme that says non-Nightmare or Non-thorn warjacks? It's exactly the same.
Why doesn't bones say non-living warbeasts for free points? On that theme a caster with a living warbeast bond can take it and not lose a free solo... Why can't baldur who is a prime candidate for this theme?
BI only gives heavy jacks the carapace. Children of the Dragon is nephelim only. Forges of War is Shyeel jacks only Minons and Mercs also have restrictive battle groups Ravens of War is flying beasts and lights only Sons of the tempest is jacks with ranged weapons only Devourers host is living beast only Bones of Oroborus is construct beasts only Its not some new thing just to pee in your cheerios, a significant chunk of the theme lists have beast restrictions. Play balder in bones.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Sept 25, 2017 22:27:48 GMT
Covered? I don't see those boundaries on any other faction... Is there a theme that says non-Nightmare or Non-thorn warjacks? It's exactly the same.
Why doesn't bones say non-living warbeasts for free points? On that theme a caster with a living warbeast bond can take it and not lose a free solo... Why can't baldur who is a prime candidate for this theme?
BI only gives heavy jacks the carapace. Children of the Dragon is nephelim only. Forges of War is Shyeel jacks only Minons and Mercs also have restrictive battle groups Ravens of War is flying beasts and lights only Sons of the tempest is jacks with ranged weapons only Devourers host is living beast only Bones of Oroborus is construct beasts only Its not some new thing just to pee in your cheerios, a significant chunk of the theme lists have beast restrictions. Play balder in bones. Carapace is a theme bonus, not a restriction. All non-character Cryx jacks are allowed, and count towards points. Sons of the Tempest has recently been revised in CID, and will soon allow all non-character jacks regardless of weapons. I think it is cool that Circle has individual themes for construct beasts and fluffy beasts. However, they really should have more than one theme that allows both. And there is also the general imbalance of the faction I keep hearing about.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 25, 2017 23:01:50 GMT
... BI only gives heavy jacks the carapace. Children of the Dragon is nephelim only. Forges of War is Shyeel jacks only Minons and Mercs also have restrictive battle groups Ravens of War is flying beasts and lights only Sons of the tempest is jacks with ranged weapons only Devourers host is living beast only Bones of Oroborus is construct beasts only Its not some new thing just to pee in your cheerios, a significant chunk of the theme lists have beast restrictions. Play balder in bones. Well, BI is a benefit that doesn't apply to everyone but light warjacks still add towards free points... SotT LOST that restrictions and the other two are actually Circle lists... If I wanted mini factions I'd play Mercs or Minions and I hear that get pissed off at that as well. How about a BG list with no restrictions on warbeasts? How about a damm Circle warlock that can choose his BG and get points for it... like you know... MOST themes do? This endless string of restrictions is getting old.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 25, 2017 23:06:52 GMT
... I think it is cool that Circle has individual themes for construct beasts and fluffy beasts. However, they really should have more than one theme that allows both. ... Sounds cool but it isn't. It's a power down with a random fluff justification... Randomly Bradigus doesn't work with Tharn and if a warlock recruits Tharn he doesn't take wolds... you know the things make with blood and sacrifice? Sounds Tharny to me... but perhaps they just eat the sacrifices and the Wolds power down...?
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 25, 2017 23:58:25 GMT
I look at the theme and its about what I expected. I would've liked at least one or two faction unit option like oracles (stones really really don't count) but it is what it is.
I'm a little surprised that Brennos was tossed in here as to me he really fits Secret Masters much better than a living beast theme. If the intent is for him to be more fury management then that's a big miss as truly sucks at that role for the points cost. I do like Brennos this just isn't the place for him. Something truly feral like Ghetorix or Loki (especially Loki) would make way more sense and provide much better utility.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2017 0:05:57 GMT
I look at the theme and its about what I expected. I would've liked at least one or two faction unit option like oracles (stones really really don't count) but it is what it is. I'm a little surprised that Brennos was tossed in here as to me he really fits Secret Masters much better than a living beast theme. If the intent is for him to be more fury management then that's a big miss as truly sucks at that role for the points cost. I do like Brennos this just isn't the place for him. Something truly feral like Ghetorix or Loki (especially Loki) would make way more sense and provide much better utility. Brenos is a solid heavy. He hits pretty darn hard with Primal and has a good gun. I feel like you take him for utility. The question is if he is better than another pureblood which is a hard sell as I kind of have a thing for purebloods. I would like Loki in this theme but I don't see Loki being as thematic in it if that makes sense. (not that we know much more than he is taniths beats that roams around up north) I do wish we had at least 1 or 2 unit options outside of minions. it really limits the casters that will play this theme well. The loss of woldwyrds is also a hit to our typical caster stable. I plan on using Brigands with UA as a screen mostly. I really don't expect to run this theme with anyone other than Kromac 2 as I don't really like the Kaya's and don't feel like buying 10 gryphons to run with Una2. Maybe Ill try Lightspam with Big Mac at some point but for now I am pretty content with the theme as is.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Sept 26, 2017 0:58:42 GMT
Heavy Metal provides no direct benefits to Warjacks. Trash theme is trash.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 26, 2017 1:01:56 GMT
... BI only gives heavy jacks the carapace. Children of the Dragon is nephelim only. Forges of War is Shyeel jacks only Minons and Mercs also have restrictive battle groups Ravens of War is flying beasts and lights only Sons of the tempest is jacks with ranged weapons only Devourers host is living beast only Bones of Oroborus is construct beasts only Its not some new thing just to pee in your cheerios, a significant chunk of the theme lists have beast restrictions. Play balder in bones. Well, BI is a benefit that doesn't apply to everyone but light warjacks still add towards free points... SotT LOST that restrictions and the other two are actually Circle lists... If I wanted mini factions I'd play Mercs or Minions and I hear that get pissed off at that as well. How about a BG list with no restrictions on warbeasts? How about a damm Circle warlock that can choose his BG and get points for it... like you know... MOST themes do? This endless string of restrictions is getting old. Play secret masters or wild hunt then.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Sept 26, 2017 1:10:17 GMT
Well, BI is a benefit that doesn't apply to everyone but light warjacks still add towards free points... SotT LOST that restrictions and the other two are actually Circle lists... If I wanted mini factions I'd play Mercs or Minions and I hear that get pissed off at that as well. How about a BG list with no restrictions on warbeasts? How about a damm Circle warlock that can choose his BG and get points for it... like you know... MOST themes do? This endless string of restrictions is getting old. Play secret masters or wild hunt then. Or Cygnar
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Sept 26, 2017 1:36:07 GMT
Play secret masters or wild hunt then. Or Cygnar Silly. Cygnar doesn't have giant wolf beasts... for now...
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Sept 26, 2017 2:43:10 GMT
Or Cygnar Silly. Cygnar doesn't have giant wolf beasts... for now... We have Repo and Sprint heavies, though.
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Post by borderprince on Sept 26, 2017 5:05:50 GMT
- Minion unit or solo. Bellows crew! Lanyssa! Ambushing Ogrun! Unit for Wurmwood! (Why not both? Seemed like the norm... typo?)
Almost certainly not a typo. 'or' was also the word used in describing the availability of mercenaries in the MoW theme for Khador, which suggests PP have taken this as the default way forward for mercs/minions in other faction themes. Obviously there will be exceptions (Skorne!), but they're going to be based on fluff.
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