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Post by kineath on Sept 26, 2017 14:01:38 GMT
Budgies really are just better. The single high-POW combo strike doesn't make up for the 3 native attacks on the budgies, and defensive cocktail of stealth + base DEF 15 is hard to top (and it gets incredible with Fog of War plus the feat, since most gunlines do not ignore concealment even though they ignore stealth). -und_ed Depends on the armor of the target really. At dice -6 I'd rather have a Combobite. Also, pointcost. for every 7 griffons you get 8 argii
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Post by unded on Sept 26, 2017 14:04:17 GMT
Budgies really are just better. The single high-POW combo strike doesn't make up for the 3 native attacks on the budgies, and defensive cocktail of stealth + base DEF 15 is hard to top (and it gets incredible with Fog of War plus the feat, since most gunlines do not ignore concealment even though they ignore stealth). -und_ed
Budgies?
If you going the Scarsfell way then why not...
Circle Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Call of the Wild (Pre-release)
(Una 2) Una the Skyhunter [+29] - Wild Argus [7] - Argus Moonhound [6] - Gorax Rager [7] - Pureblood Warpwolf [17] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Scarsfell Griffon [8] - Druid Wilder [0(4)] Blackclad Wayfarer [0(4)] Blackclad Wayfarer [0(4)] Shifting Stones [0(3)] Shifting Stones [3]
Or +1 Pureblood and -2 Scarfells?
I like both, but they serve very different purposes in a list-pairing. Tuna is great offensively, and brings the all-awesome Hand of Fate to boost something (I favour the fulcrum lately, but honestly season to taste). Kaya3 brings an amazing defensive kit that Tuna doesn't match. That means I can use Kaya as my anti-gunline drop (DEF 19 vs shooting makes griffons almost untouchable by guns) and then whatever. If I'm playing Tuna then I want my other caster to cover my gunline drop as most gunlines see straight through stealth and Def 15 windwall just won't cut it. So really it's a case of what you want the list to cover in your pairing, even though they look very similar by bringing a flock of griffons in each. -und_ed
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2017 14:14:48 GMT
I just don't want to see scarsfell spam become a thing again. I would much prefer lots of different lights from a collection and gameplay experience perspective. Spamming 10 of the same thing just seems boring. I really think this theme finally gives us an answer into Jack spam. With Kaya 3, 2Una and Big Mac you can kill multiple heavies a turn and there are lots of options with list construction. Though I think a lot of people are going for the Ninja Gryphons I am gonna be trying some more balanced lists. I just do not feel like buying and painting 6+ scarsfells
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Post by unded on Sept 26, 2017 14:43:10 GMT
I really think this theme finally gives us an answer into Jack spam. With Kaya 3, 2Una and Big Mac you can kill multiple heavies a turn and there are lots of options with list construction. Though I think a lot of people are going for the Ninja Gryphons I am gonna be trying some more balanced lists. I just do not feel like buying and painting 6+ scarsfells Search deep within your druid's heart. There are six griffons there, clawing to be let out. Search your feelings, mac, you know this to be true. Once you start down the path of birdie love, forever will it dominate your destiny. -und_ed
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Post by rezfon on Sept 26, 2017 14:57:46 GMT
The only beast i wouldn't mind spamming is the wild argus, but that's because I've unintentionally acquired about 7 of them.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 26, 2017 15:32:46 GMT
I just don't want to see scarsfell spam become a thing again. I would much prefer lots of different lights from a collection and gameplay experience perspective. Spamming 10 of the same thing just seems boring. I really think this theme finally gives us an answer into Jack spam. With Kaya 3, 2Una and Big Mac you can kill multiple heavies a turn and there are lots of options with list construction. Though I think a lot of people are going for the Ninja Gryphons I am gonna be trying some more balanced lists. I just do not feel like buying and painting 6+ scarsfells Why do you think you can make a straight up melee list without SPD buffs you can rely on? Are tanking their alfa?
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2017 15:41:19 GMT
I just don't want to see scarsfell spam become a thing again. I would much prefer lots of different lights from a collection and gameplay experience perspective. Spamming 10 of the same thing just seems boring. I really think this theme finally gives us an answer into Jack spam. With Kaya 3, 2Una and Big Mac you can kill multiple heavies a turn and there are lots of options with list construction. Though I think a lot of people are going for the Ninja Gryphons I am gonna be trying some more balanced lists. I just do not feel like buying and painting 6+ scarsfells Why do you think you can make a straight up melee list without SPD buffs you can rely on? Are tanking their alfa? Using terrain. adding a merc/minion screen. Circle beasts naturally threat pretty far and if you can use a screen to absorb (maybe a few scarsfels or Argi) you can typically get the important stuff where it needs to go. +1 to the starting roll help this as well. Going first with a bunch of fast beasts means you can force an opponent to come to you, putting pressure on the table and scenario early. There is more to this game than just waddling around avoiding each others threat ranges. Even with scarsfells all the threat ranges are pretty stagnant.) I think it is very telling that Pagani said the "glue" of the theme is blacklads with Hunters mark when just about all of us now how unreliable that is as threat range increaser. Just another nock on the internal design process. Scrasfells do not fix the speed buffs issue
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Post by darkshroud on Sept 26, 2017 15:41:30 GMT
One problem I see with this theme. It amplifies the already rather good warp wolves and doesn't help the lack later satyrs and griffons. A missed opportunity I feel Read the thread. people just said free dodge is a good thing.
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Post by darkshroud on Sept 26, 2017 15:43:50 GMT
Am I right in thinking you can field a free Lord of the Feast? I'm surprised nobody seems to be going for that option. 6 points for free and ideally suited to taking on hard to reach infantry. he suffered the same fate as bane lord tartarus. he was 8 pts in the mk3 transition. after cid 6. LotF seems like a 4pt solo.
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Post by Dev Null on Sept 26, 2017 15:54:41 GMT
Am I right in thinking you can field a free Lord of the Feast? I'm surprised nobody seems to be going for that option. 6 points for free and ideally suited to taking on hard to reach infantry. Sure, six free points. That doesn't stop him from sucking.
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 26, 2017 18:26:58 GMT
He's listed as free in the wrong theme. If Devourer's host could take him for free and pre-load him with heart tokens, then you MIGHT see him on the table. As his he needs 2" reach and bird + thresher back to be worth 6pts.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 26, 2017 19:49:13 GMT
Still kind of think kaya3 + goats in this theme could be a real thing.
Well, in relation to non-theme you get an extra 12pt Satyr, free beat back and the Gnarlhorn get no KD as long as it didn't run... You think it's enough to put her on the table?
Kind of, yeah. Mathed out a primaled riphorn wrecks an ironclad like 80% of the time, thats without Synergy. All of them have 3 initials and some sort of chain attack or other power attack ability. Fog of war gives her wayfarers stealth so they can fire off hunters mark and give your goats a 11-12 inch threat. Reposition lets you back off a charging shadowhorn or riphorn so that your gnarlhorns can protect them from retaliation with a counterslam. Its got a lot of interesting tools that require adapting to on board situations to make use of. So kinda yeah, though if there was a way to hand out snacking or some RFP ability to your goats i'd feel a lot more confident about it.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2017 20:14:19 GMT
I think lack of pathfinder is gonna limit goats in large numbers. A riphorn or shadowhorn here and there is gonna be a thing. But Goatspam will not be
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 26, 2017 20:21:21 GMT
There's only like one living non-character heavy with pathfinder, and it costs 19 points, so not really spammable.
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Post by jisidro on Sept 26, 2017 20:49:25 GMT
There's only like one living non-character heavy with pathfinder, and it costs 19 points, so not really spammable. That's the issue... Kraye gets passive army wide infinite range pathfinder because reasons and we are stuck with no pathfinder and no way to hand it out to our nn-reach heavies... a linear is enough to beat us in a (living) heavy fight...
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