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Post by chillychinaman on Sept 22, 2017 19:13:52 GMT
If you're taking double Errants then it might be worth considering a Sanctifier or two since they can pick up souls when they sacrifice. It depends on the caster. Testament wants those souls so he can bring grunts back from the dead. Any other caster? A Sanctifier wouldn't go amiss. Testament can't pick up Sacrificed souls. This way, no souls are going to waste, just as Menoth intended. Unless you have a regular Reclaimer nearby.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 22, 2017 20:19:24 GMT
It depends on the caster. Testament wants those souls so he can bring grunts back from the dead. Any other caster? A Sanctifier wouldn't go amiss. Testament can't pick up Sacrificed souls. This way, no souls are going to waste, just as Menoth intended. Unless you have a regular Reclaimer nearby. I do feel like testament should have a broader spectrum of soul collection since his kit is literally reliant on souls.
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Post by Zanragul on Sept 25, 2017 9:10:50 GMT
Yeah if they selfsac the Testament get no soul. But if the opponent tries to RFP the Errants you can selfsac and they arent RFP so the Testament can bring them back!
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Post by mydnight on Sept 25, 2017 10:55:45 GMT
Just bring Gravus/reclaimer to pick up the souls that testie cant.
Gravus + errants will get even better when rhupert is allowed in the theme.
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 25, 2017 17:01:00 GMT
Testament does not have soul priority though. these guys can easily pick up souls that we would otherwise want on Testament, get full, then the RFPs begin. you self sac to avoid RFP, and no souls get collected at all.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 25, 2017 17:45:08 GMT
Just bring Gravus/reclaimer to pick up the souls that testie cant. Gravus + errants will get even better when rhupert is allowed in the theme. Testament really does not like competing for souls. Also Gravus is not exactly regarded very highly as a good dragoon right now.
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Post by Cyel on Sept 26, 2017 16:28:40 GMT
Gravus + errants will get even better when rhupert is allowed in the theme. Also Gravus is not exactly regarded very highly as a good dragoon right now. Why do you think so, macdaddy ? In my opinion he fits the Interdiction very well. I've gained even more respect for him since I had my Eye of Truth destroyed by an enemy one under Kreoss3 once! OO As for Errants, let's see what Gade is going to give them. They seem to have carved themselves a useful niche since the beginning of mk3, though.
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 26, 2017 16:47:52 GMT
Errants keep being surprisingly useful in most games i field them in. Last game 4 of them removed a seraph from the game on turn 2 even though they were denied their assault shots. And call to sacrifice denied the throne of everblight all its tricks. They have non-obvious value.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2017 17:03:43 GMT
Also Gravus is not exactly regarded very highly as a good dragoon right now. Why do you think so, macdaddy ? In my opinion he fits the Interdiction very well. I've gained even more respect for him since I had my Eye of Truth destroyed by an enemy one under Kreoss3 once! OO As for Errants, let's see what Gade is going to give them. They seem to have carved themselves a useful niche since the beginning of mk3, though. 9 points is a hard pill to swallow for one combat solo that can sometimes beat on a target. He does not hit exceptionally hard (Pow 11 really?) and is not very durable even by dragoon standards. He has the same issue a lot of our exemplar options has. He competes with Knights exemplar who are amazing infantry for 9 points, even without the UA. If he could be taken for free in Interdiction, or if he was cheaper AND hit harder (can he be Pow 13 at least? or have Righteous fury like the Knights E Senny he would be much more reasonable. He is just way to expensive and I can never justify taking him over MOAR dudes or even for say Knights Exemplar senny's who hit harder, are almost half the cost, and are harder to remove. Edit: Also, even fully Loaded with ignite gravus only does around 15 or so boxes to eye. while impressive that requires you to put ignite on him instead of another unit like say...knights exemplar or Vengers who will just flat remove a heavy or more likely 2. W0lfBane I have also found 2 units to be surprisingly worthwhile. I am still convinced purity needs to be reworded for the UA to be complete but they do an excellent job as a screening unit in interdiction. If PP fixes unyielding or makes the senny more worthwhile I think they will be excellent.
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Post by Cyel on Sept 26, 2017 17:45:20 GMT
Edit: Also, even fully Loaded with ignite gravus only does around 15 or so boxes to eye. while impressive that requires you to put ignite on him instead of another unit ... He's also a Venger which, under Kreoss3, makes spikes more likely. This was the case there, even the POW 14 Impact Attack did some damage and the charge one broke straight through the shield and A LOT of the boxes (which isn't that unusual, when the average is like 8 boxes? on the charge). With the shield gone, it went downhill from there. Killing it to the point with the last attack was indeed lucky, but it would have been most likely crippled beyond repair anyway.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2017 17:47:12 GMT
Edit: Also, even fully Loaded with ignite gravus only does around 15 or so boxes to eye. while impressive that requires you to put ignite on him instead of another unit ... He's also a Venger which, under Kreoss3, makes spikes more likely. This was the case there, even the POW 14 Impact Attack did some damage and the charge one broke straight through the shield and A LOT of the boxes (which isn't that unusual, when the average is like 8 boxes? on the charge). With the shield gone, it went downhill from there. Killing it to the point with the last attack was indeed lucky, but it would have been most likely crippled beyond repair anyway. He is not an exemplar venger model and sadly does not benefit from divine inspiration.
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Post by bskhacker on Sept 26, 2017 17:51:19 GMT
He's also a Venger which, under Kreoss3, makes spikes more likely. This was the case there, even the POW 14 Impact Attack did some damage and the charge one broke straight through the shield and A LOT of the boxes (which isn't that unusual, when the average is like 8 boxes? on the charge). With the shield gone, it went downhill from there. Killing it to the point with the last attack was indeed lucky, but it would have been most likely crippled beyond repair anyway. He is not an exemplar venger model and sadly does not benefit from divine inspiration. He is a venger dragoon solo. They updated that early in mk3 when they made Kreoss 3 an Exemplar Warcaster.
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 26, 2017 17:52:13 GMT
He's also a Venger which, under Kreoss3, makes spikes more likely. This was the case there, even the POW 14 Impact Attack did some damage and the charge one broke straight through the shield and A LOT of the boxes (which isn't that unusual, when the average is like 8 boxes? on the charge). With the shield gone, it went downhill from there. Killing it to the point with the last attack was indeed lucky, but it would have been most likely crippled beyond repair anyway. He is not an exemplar venger model and sadly does not benefit from divine inspiration. Check your privaledge.... cause he is and he does. ..... .... That sounded a lot cooler in my head.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 26, 2017 18:13:01 GMT
Huh my war room must be messed up because he is not a venger dragoon in it haha. Ill send in a bug report
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Post by Hashmal on Sept 26, 2017 19:46:15 GMT
Gravus is situational for me. I opted to include him in my Kreoss3 list in lieu of Rhupert + Covenant + 1 Wrack. Preventing mass KD/Stationary is why he's in the list. And he provides offensive support. However, losing out on Pathfinder on demand does hurt. With the change to include Merc solos in theme, I may lose Gravus in the future. I only really like him with Kreoss3.
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