regleant
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Post by regleant on Sept 19, 2017 8:03:01 GMT
I am curious - every Amon list I've seen uses a ton of light jacks, or even heavies, to skew the board and go for an unusually-agile hard-hitting win. But why no colossal? I get it, it's not Light spam. It's not cheap-heavy spam. It's not Armor spam. But it brings to the table solid ranged support and gives a nice anchor to the list.
Has anyone actually tried it? How did it pan out?
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moquan
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Post by moquan on Sept 19, 2017 9:06:17 GMT
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 19, 2017 12:21:09 GMT
I've seen it done locally, not too excited. It can hit at POW 28, sure, but personally I'd prefer three crusaders at POW 23 and a dervish to help with the warmup.
A fortified colossal is stupidly tough to kill though.
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Post by paradox on Sept 19, 2017 13:17:19 GMT
Have not yet gotten to Amon in MKIII yet. But with no more accuracy buff from choir, and a synergy cap, I can see it working out. Ill have to whip up a list, but I could get it to the table next chance I get. Ive been proxying Rev, and its damned great. More than MAT6 will help it alot.
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Post by paradox on Sept 19, 2017 13:25:03 GMT
Theme: The Creator's Might 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army High Allegiant Amon Ad-Raza - WJ: +29 - Hierophant - PC: 0 - Revelator - PC: 37 (Battlegroup Points Used: 29) - Devout - PC: 9 - Devout - PC: 9 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Dervish - PC: 7 - Repenter - PC: 8 - Repenter - PC: 8
Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Wrack (The Creator's Might) - 3 Wracks: 3 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 19, 2017 13:29:45 GMT
thumbs up for the repenters: stronger than they look under Amon
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Sept 19, 2017 15:17:15 GMT
Have not yet gotten to Amon in MKIII yet. But with no more accuracy buff from choir, and a synergy cap, I can see it working out. Ill have to whip up a list, but I could get it to the table next chance I get. Ive been proxying Rev, and its damned great. More than MAT6 will help it alot. Wait, does this mean you've come home from your cheatin' with Circle?
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Post by paradox on Sept 19, 2017 16:19:30 GMT
Have not yet gotten to Amon in MKIII yet. But with no more accuracy buff from choir, and a synergy cap, I can see it working out. Ill have to whip up a list, but I could get it to the table next chance I get. Ive been proxying Rev, and its damned great. More than MAT6 will help it alot. Wait, does this mean you've come home from your cheatin' with Circle? Por que no los dos?
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Post by greytemplar on Sept 19, 2017 16:52:05 GMT
Why no Colossal?
It's because Synergy is better the more things can benefit from it. A Judicator/Revelator is 5 dervishes and change.
The synergy damage is also pretty much overkill when you are starting at P+S23(with battle).
It's also a single target as opposed to up to 5. Which means it takes substantially more effort to kill the light-spam. 2 heavies can take out a colossal in one round. They're not going to take out 5 Dervishes on one round.
You also get more free powerup focus and initial attacks. 10 initial attacks and 5 focus vs 2 melee and 4 ranged and only 1 focus. 5 Dervishes with no allocation will do far more damage than a single Revelator with maxed out focus.
This is not to say the Revelator is bad with Amon. It's just not the best choice.
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Post by paradox on Sept 19, 2017 17:11:45 GMT
But then a colossal is a 120mm base with Reach. And MAT9 PS26. So can punch 2 heavies to death in a turn. It pretty hard to space vs the threat footprint.
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Post by greytemplar on Sept 19, 2017 17:42:13 GMT
5 Dervishes scan also easily do that. Maybe even more. Creators Might gets them to pow20 under full synergy. Even if you use two of the dervishes just to build synergy, 3 fully loaded pow20 dervishes can easily kill a heavy apiece.
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Post by paradox on Sept 19, 2017 17:59:03 GMT
5 Dervishes scan also easily do that. Maybe even more. Creators Might gets them to pow20 under full synergy. Even if you use two of the dervishes just to build synergy, 3 fully loaded pow20 dervishes can easily kill a heavy apiece. Thats a deliver problem. 1. Focus invested. 2. LoS issues. Eg, where you have a charge targetin LoS, maybe 5"-6" away. Once the colossal charges, it can see the 2nd target from its new vantage, both because of position and base size. I find this is a fairly frequent positioning error, especially because of distance between models plus apparent safety of terrain. It can definitely work. And the guns also bring assistance dervishes lack. Magic weapons dont hurt either.
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 19, 2017 19:08:25 GMT
All that and its a huge base to block LOS to Amon himself.
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Post by paradox on Sept 19, 2017 19:22:53 GMT
5 Dervishes scan also easily do that. Maybe even more. Creators Might gets them to pow20 under full synergy. Even if you use two of the dervishes just to build synergy, 3 fully loaded pow20 dervishes can easily kill a heavy apiece. As an aside, isnt it PS18? 13 base Battle +2 Synergy +3 (this is a problem assumption itself) Whatd I miss?
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Post by paradox on Sept 19, 2017 19:24:06 GMT
All that and its a huge base to block LOS to Amon himself. WERD. Cause 16/14 yo.
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