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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 19, 2017 12:19:18 GMT
Poor Laddermore... I lost the chance to play her.
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Post by Posterman on Sept 19, 2017 18:27:19 GMT
Poor Laddermore... I lost the chance to play her. Do you ever *not* mopingly complain about every damn thing. Who are these savage opponents you play that everything in your lists needs to be overwhelmingly strong. Most people on the CID forums considered her current iteration fine.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Sept 19, 2017 18:46:46 GMT
Poor Laddermore... I lost the chance to play her. Do you ever *not* mopingly complain about every damn thing. Who are these savage opponents you play that everything in your lists needs to be overwhelmingly strong. Most people on the CID forums considered her current iteration fine. She is "fine". She's an 8 point solo who is worth 8 points. Laddermoore is also uninteresting, and I am glad I didn't buy her.
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Post by Aegis on Sept 19, 2017 18:55:24 GMT
Do you ever *not* mopingly complain about every damn thing. Who are these savage opponents you play that everything in your lists needs to be overwhelmingly strong. Most people on the CID forums considered her current iteration fine. She is "fine". She's an 8 point solo who is worth 8 points. Laddermoore is also uninteresting, and I am glad I didn't buy her. Yeah, she is fine, but not really compelling to play. The main problem is that she is prectically a living Firefly. The two models cost the same and do very similar things, the only difference is that Firefly is useful in more situations than Laddermoore. Also, it's quite a pity that she now doesn't synergize with lances particulary well. She doesn't give them anything essential, and being similar high-cost pieces they are now alternative more than a package. As said, the only place where I would consider to play her is in a list that moves around StormBlades, and yes, just because I already have her and painted her. If I hadn't, she wouldn't be a priority buy or paint for sure. Probably it's for the best. Stormlances+Laddermoore were a problem, both for external and internal balance, but I think the nerf could have been managed better (not to mean that they should have been nerfed less, but probably in a different way that didn't left Laddermore in this strange place where she is "fine" for her points but doesn't want anymore to tag with Lances and isn't particulary interesting).
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Sept 19, 2017 22:11:36 GMT
Laddermore is ok, but stormblades need some quality of life changes and stormguard and silver line need to, like, work.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 19, 2017 23:54:38 GMT
Poor Laddermore... I lost the chance to play her. Do you ever *not* mopingly complain about every damn thing. Who are these savage opponents you play that everything in your lists needs to be overwhelmingly strong. Most people on the CID forums considered her current iteration fine. I am always the side of the underdogs sir, always, and regardless of their factions, and I am sad to see her is included on that AGAIN. And what is left? Isn't STORM LANCES what needs to be toned down? Indeed, they does not that badly(if we ignore the fact that still they are simply superior than the most other cavalry by many aspects), but it is only done by destroying Laddermore, and they are still the most powerful units in the game. For now they don't need for her if they want to crack armor and against armors they are better off taking a Firefly instead. Ha, she was useless through MKII, and only for one years of new life she is returned to the oblivion now. Is it anything wrong that mourn for her? I don't think so. Rather, it is required to do so.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Sept 20, 2017 4:07:21 GMT
Do you ever *not* mopingly complain about every damn thing. Who are these savage opponents you play that everything in your lists needs to be overwhelmingly strong. Most people on the CID forums considered her current iteration fine. I am always the side of the underdogs sir, always, and regardless of their factions, and I am sad to see her is included on that AGAIN. And what is left? Isn't STORM LANCES what needs to be toned down? Indeed, they does not that badly(if we ignore the fact that still they are simply superior than the most other cavalry by many aspects), but it is only done by destroying Laddermore, and they are still the most powerful units in the game. For now they don't need for her if they want to crack armor and against armors they are better off taking a Firefly instead. Ha, she was useless through MKII, and only for one years of new life she is returned to the oblivion now. Is it anything wrong that mourn for her? I don't think so. Rather, it is required to do so. She's fine. Very reasonable combat output for a solo, Veteran leader is more of a bonus than the focus of her kit. Compare her to most other Dragoons and she still tops of the charts. If she compares unfavorably to the firefly, to be perfectly honest that says more about the firefly's absurd synergy with Cygnar's lightning tech than anything else (Seriously, I can't think of many lights that are better than the firefly, and at least one - the charger - is in Cygnar.) As for rooting for the underdog...if that's the case, why do I always see you in threads arguing against Cygnar nerfs? Go talk about buffing Minions, maybe. Or Trolls. Or Hordes in general.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 20, 2017 4:54:55 GMT
I am always the side of the underdogs sir, always, and regardless of their factions, and I am sad to see her is included on that AGAIN. And what is left? Isn't STORM LANCES what needs to be toned down? Indeed, they does not that badly(if we ignore the fact that still they are simply superior than the most other cavalry by many aspects), but it is only done by destroying Laddermore, and they are still the most powerful units in the game. For now they don't need for her if they want to crack armor and against armors they are better off taking a Firefly instead. Ha, she was useless through MKII, and only for one years of new life she is returned to the oblivion now. Is it anything wrong that mourn for her? I don't think so. Rather, it is required to do so. She's fine. Very reasonable combat output for a solo, Veteran leader is more of a bonus than the focus of her kit. Compare her to most other Dragoons and she still tops of the charts. If she compares unfavorably to the firefly, to be perfectly honest that says more about the firefly's absurd synergy with Cygnar's lightning tech than anything else (Seriously, I can't think of many lights that are better than the firefly, and at least one - the charger - is in Cygnar.) A solo needs to buff the others, not only chopping the enemy. Especially for such an expensive solo. And, it is true that Charger, Firefly and Hunter are one of the top ranked light warjacks in the world. But the problem is not this - Firefly can replace Laddermore's place. As for rooting for the underdog...if that's the case, why do I always see you in threads arguing against Cygnar nerfs? Go talk about buffing Minions, maybe. Or Trolls. Or Hordes in general. Actually I didn't, and sometimes I had even advocated of nerf for the ridiculous Cygnar stuffs. I have really no idea why you said that I am just arguing against Cygnar nerfs. Do you have any reference about that? I did argue about bad performance of Exemplar Errants&Errants Seneschal, Exemplar Bastions, Man-o-War Bombardiers and Demolition Corps, Ryssovass Defenders, Dire Troll Blitzer, Trollkin Scouts, Greygore Boomhowler&Co, Hammerfall High Shield Gun Corps, past Cryx and Skorne stuffs(because all of us know that they are something wrong before the fix), bad cavaly(Dawnguard Destors&Thane and Steelhead Heavy Cavalry in the mind mostly), most small sized units that do nothing but kill stuffs, and all models with random ROF. Also bad warbeast mechanism and reliance of Krielstone Bearer&Stone Scribes in Trollbloods seems a serious problem as well. Because I am a Cygnar gamer, I know about Cygnar most and I have argue about bad stuffs in my faction. I don't know much for the some factions' mechanism as well(especially for Circle and Legion - they seems alien to me). It is true that I have argued about bad Cygnar models most, but that's just because I know about them more.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Sept 20, 2017 5:17:36 GMT
I am always the side of the underdogs sir, always, and regardless of their factions, and I am sad to see her is included on that AGAIN. And what is left? Isn't STORM LANCES what needs to be toned down? Indeed, they does not that badly(if we ignore the fact that still they are simply superior than the most other cavalry by many aspects), but it is only done by destroying Laddermore, and they are still the most powerful units in the game. For now they don't need for her if they want to crack armor and against armors they are better off taking a Firefly instead. Ha, she was useless through MKII, and only for one years of new life she is returned to the oblivion now. Is it anything wrong that mourn for her? I don't think so. Rather, it is required to do so. She's fine. Very reasonable combat output for a solo, Veteran leader is more of a bonus than the focus of her kit. Compare her to most other Dragoons and she still tops of the charts. If she compares unfavorably to the firefly, to be perfectly honest that says more about the firefly's absurd synergy with Cygnar's lightning tech than anything else (Seriously, I can't think of many lights that are better than the firefly, and at least one - the charger - is in Cygnar.) As for rooting for the underdog...if that's the case, why do I always see you in threads arguing against Cygnar nerfs? Go talk about buffing Minions, maybe. Or Trolls. Or Hordes in general. Comparing reasonably to other combat solos isn't great, most of them are bad. I think Laddermore will be homeless until blades and guard become worth playing
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 20, 2017 5:20:14 GMT
She's fine. Very reasonable combat output for a solo, Veteran leader is more of a bonus than the focus of her kit. Compare her to most other Dragoons and she still tops of the charts. If she compares unfavorably to the firefly, to be perfectly honest that says more about the firefly's absurd synergy with Cygnar's lightning tech than anything else (Seriously, I can't think of many lights that are better than the firefly, and at least one - the charger - is in Cygnar.) As for rooting for the underdog...if that's the case, why do I always see you in threads arguing against Cygnar nerfs? Go talk about buffing Minions, maybe. Or Trolls. Or Hordes in general. Comparing reasonably to other combat solos isn't great, most of them are bad. I think Laddermore will be homeless until blades and guard become worth playing A small note: -Stormblade Infantry is already playable. At least they can make very good damage output when delivered. They are just annoying to use.... -Stormguard Infantry can gain nothing from Major Laddermore. Maybe their Leader's blast accuracy issue? But that's not the point of their problems.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Sept 20, 2017 5:40:47 GMT
I agree, Stormblades are solidly powerful, just slow and without many good ways to get pathfinder in theme.
This is a Trencher thread, though. Maybe we could take this stormnoun discussion elsewhere.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Sept 20, 2017 6:14:03 GMT
Comparing reasonably to other combat solos isn't great, most of them are bad. I think Laddermore will be homeless until blades and guard become worth playing A small note: -Stormblade Infantry is already playable. At least they can make very good damage output when delivered. They are just annoying to use.... -Stormguard Infantry can gain nothing from Major Laddermore. Maybe their Leader's blast accuracy issue? But that's not the point of their problems. Stormblades are Doom Reavers who are slower and hit less hard. If they got some quality of life changes then maybe they would be worth playing. Stormguard, like I said, need to be fixed. If they gained something worth playing then maybe Laddermore will be worth giving them +1 Mat and Rat. Mat 8 is a good Mat to have.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 20, 2017 8:31:13 GMT
You do realise that the update hasn't gone through for laddermore (on warroom at least) and she lost her +2/+2 ability for stormlance shooting and now grants veteran leader to storm knights? Which means there's very little reason to bring her now. 8 points for electro-leap when I can do it with the firefly .... I guess stormblades would like the shooting accuracy buff...but they already have auto hitting guns.... I am taking her with a min unit of Storm Lances in my Nemo 3 list, having more individual activations allows for greater tactical flexibility, and she can accomplish good work at ranged and melee, plus she is great for holding flags as she is not trivial to kill
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 20, 2017 8:38:55 GMT
I agree, Stormblades are solidly powerful, just slow and without many good ways to get pathfinder in theme. This is a Trencher thread, though. Maybe we could take this stormnoun discussion elsewhere. They would probably be great in Llealese Resistance with Ashlynn, Pathfinder because they become Llealese and Quicken for a SPD buff
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Post by Gamingdevil on Sept 20, 2017 12:28:31 GMT
Stormblades are Doom Reavers who are slower and hit less hard. If they got some quality of life changes then maybe they would be worth playing. How exactly are they anything like Doomreavers? They have 1 less SPD and DEF but + 1 ARM + a mini-feat for armour, the also have 1 less melee range and don't have advanced deployment. They not only have ranged attacks in general, but those are also fairly high powered, especially with the right support and they have Assault, but they don't have Tough, nor Berserk and Spellward. To me they seem nothing alike, except that they are both melee units.
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