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Post by k0rhil on Sept 17, 2017 20:45:58 GMT
Simple question who runs each of our themes best? Assuming faithful masses stays as last posted and feel free to consider local or global meta. My picks Creator' Might - Amon Guardians of the Temple - Vindictus Exemplar Interdiction - Testament Faithful Masses - Durst
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 17, 2017 20:49:39 GMT
I think my picks based on my games with my local meta would be: Creators Might: Amon/Sevvy2 Guardians of the Temple: Thyra Exemplar Interdiction: Vinny Now for FM it's mostly theory and a few games with some janky lists but I think the best caster for FM is *drummrollllll* Testamemt
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 18, 2017 16:49:15 GMT
Creator's Might: *Amon / *Sevy2 / *Kreoss1 / Durst / Durant / Feora2 Exemplar Interdiction: *Vinny / *Kreoss 2 and *3 / Testament / Thyra / Reznik1 / Sevy1 and 2 Faithful Masses: *Feora3 / Harbinger / *Testament / Reclaimer / *Sevy1 / Malekus / Amon Guardians: Feora1 / *Thyra / Testament / *Feora3 / *Reznik2 / Sevy1 / Kreoss3
All personal opinion based on where I see our casters landing in themes with stars to denote serious consideration for competition.
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Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 18, 2017 16:59:44 GMT
FWIW, I think FM will stay as seen. Aside from some general disquiet about amon specifically, as well as a one or two comments on the wall being an imperfect fit, everyone on either side of the board marked it as good to go once the paladins gave us points.
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Post by blakeh1 on Sept 18, 2017 18:37:44 GMT
I haven't tried it yet, but For Faithful Masses I am thinking Severius 1 or Kreoss 1
They both can run some pretty effective gunlines under those themes turning Deliverers Zealots and Idrians into murder machines. Kreoss 1 providing a deadly feat turn and Severius 1 Eye of Menoth awesomeness all game long
Creator's Might I have been running with Severius 1 (Blessing, 2 Reckoners and a Crusader plus Tristan, Viligant and Repenter and the Vessel to heal them as well as the support) and Malekus (loading up on Reckoners, Repenters and Eye of Truth) I don't have Amon, but he seems like a no-brainer for this theme. Also once the Revelator drops Severius 2 will be running this theme
Exemplar Interdiction seems built for casters like HR, Testament and Kreoss 3. I have been trying to work on a Reznik 2 list as well. Harbinger would totally love this theme as well if it wasn't for the lack of the Hierophant. I also want to try out Vindictus with this theme.
Guardian's is right up Thrya's alley and is actually the only way I have played Thrya (admittedly, i have not played that many games with her, but all have been in theme). I have also been playing this theme with Reznik 2. I keep meaning to try it out with Feora 1 as well, but just cannot bear to part with the Eye of Truth/Hand of Judgment combo under her
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Sept 18, 2017 19:18:38 GMT
Creators might - I prefer Durant over bandwagon Amon Exemplar Interdiction - Testament Faithful Masses - Durst Guardians - I don't really know. Don't have any of those models yet.
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 18, 2017 23:37:09 GMT
Creators might: woudnt touch that theme with a 10 foot pole. Exemplar: thyra Guardians: thyra? Again Faithful masses: thy..... you thought i was gonna say thyra again weren't you. No its vindictus.
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Post by dicebedamned on Sept 20, 2017 12:18:25 GMT
I haven't tried it yet, but For Faithful Masses I am thinking Severius 1 or Kreoss 1 They both can run some pretty effective gunlines under those themes turning Deliverers Zealots and Idrians into murder machines. Kreoss 1 providing a deadly feat turn and Severius 1 Eye of Menoth awesomeness all game long Creator's Might I have been running with Severius 1 (Blessing, 2 Reckoners and a Crusader plus Tristan, Viligant and Repenter and the Vessel to heal them as well as the support) and Malekus (loading up on Reckoners, Repenters and Eye of Truth) I don't have Amon, but he seems like a no-brainer for this theme. Also once the Revelator drops Severius 2 will be running this theme Exemplar Interdiction seems built for casters like HR, Testament and Kreoss 3. I have been trying to work on a Reznik 2 list as well. Harbinger would totally love this theme as well if it wasn't for the lack of the Hierophant. I also want to try out Vindictus with this theme. Guardian's is right up Thrya's alley and is actually the only way I have played Thrya (admittedly, i have not played that many games with her, but all have been in theme). I have also been playing this theme with Reznik 2. I keep meaning to try it out with Feora 1 as well, but just cannot bear to part with the Eye of Truth/Hand of Judgment combo under her I'd be interested in seeing your Guardians list for Rez 2 if you don't mind? I always struggle to play him, but I was considering FM rather than Guardians...
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Post by Fire Step on Sept 20, 2017 14:57:11 GMT
I haven't tried it yet, but For Faithful Masses I am thinking Severius 1 or Kreoss 1 They both can run some pretty effective gunlines under those themes turning Deliverers Zealots and Idrians into murder machines. Kreoss 1 providing a deadly feat turn and Severius 1 Eye of Menoth awesomeness all game long Creator's Might I have been running with Severius 1 (Blessing, 2 Reckoners and a Crusader plus Tristan, Viligant and Repenter and the Vessel to heal them as well as the support) and Malekus (loading up on Reckoners, Repenters and Eye of Truth) I don't have Amon, but he seems like a no-brainer for this theme. Also once the Revelator drops Severius 2 will be running this theme Exemplar Interdiction seems built for casters like HR, Testament and Kreoss 3. I have been trying to work on a Reznik 2 list as well. Harbinger would totally love this theme as well if it wasn't for the lack of the Hierophant. I also want to try out Vindictus with this theme. Guardian's is right up Thrya's alley and is actually the only way I have played Thrya (admittedly, i have not played that many games with her, but all have been in theme). I have also been playing this theme with Reznik 2. I keep meaning to try it out with Feora 1 as well, but just cannot bear to part with the Eye of Truth/Hand of Judgment combo under her I'd be interested in seeing your Guardians list for Rez 2 if you don't mind? I always struggle to play him, but I was considering FM rather than Guardians... War Room Army Protectorate of Menoth - Is this how you Reznik? Theme: Guardians of the Temple 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages - WJ: +29 - Scourge of Heresy - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Repenter - PC: 8 Wrack - PC: 1 Nicia, Tear of Vengeance - PC: 0 Flame Bringers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17 Flame Bringers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17 Flameguard Cleansers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15 - Flameguard Cleanser Officer - PC: 0 Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4 Daughters of the Flame - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 THEME: Guardians of the Temple --- GENERATED : 09/20/2017 15:55:38 BUILD ID : 2047.17-07-25 I'm quite enamored with this list. I haven't played it yet though, so take with a grain of salt. I like the idea of flanking flame bringers, with a core of assaulting cleansers with 10" sprays deep into enemy under Reznik2 feat.
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Post by blakeh1 on Sept 20, 2017 16:01:47 GMT
I haven't tried it yet, but For Faithful Masses I am thinking Severius 1 or Kreoss 1 They both can run some pretty effective gunlines under those themes turning Deliverers Zealots and Idrians into murder machines. Kreoss 1 providing a deadly feat turn and Severius 1 Eye of Menoth awesomeness all game long Creator's Might I have been running with Severius 1 (Blessing, 2 Reckoners and a Crusader plus Tristan, Viligant and Repenter and the Vessel to heal them as well as the support) and Malekus (loading up on Reckoners, Repenters and Eye of Truth) I don't have Amon, but he seems like a no-brainer for this theme. Also once the Revelator drops Severius 2 will be running this theme Exemplar Interdiction seems built for casters like HR, Testament and Kreoss 3. I have been trying to work on a Reznik 2 list as well. Harbinger would totally love this theme as well if it wasn't for the lack of the Hierophant. I also want to try out Vindictus with this theme. Guardian's is right up Thrya's alley and is actually the only way I have played Thrya (admittedly, i have not played that many games with her, but all have been in theme). I have also been playing this theme with Reznik 2. I keep meaning to try it out with Feora 1 as well, but just cannot bear to part with the Eye of Truth/Hand of Judgment combo under her I'd be interested in seeing your Guardians list for Rez 2 if you don't mind? I always struggle to play him, but I was considering FM rather than Guardians... I'm still in the trial and error phase, but I am liking the flexibility this is giving me, as well as being fairly easy to manage when running in timed games it does lack in a range game, but at the same time, between SPD 7 stealthed daughters, SPD 9 Pathfinder Flamebringers and one ambushing daughters unit, it is a pretty fast list that can close gaps quickly. I am considering this as possibly a second list to a more range oriented Severius 1 or Feora 1 list Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages - WJ: +29 - Scourge of Heresy - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Templar - PC: 15 - Devout - PC: 9 Nicea, Tear of Vengeance PC: 5 Vassal of Menoth (free from theme bonus) Vassal of Menoth (free from theme bonus) Wrack - PC: 1 Wrack - PC: 1 Choir of Menoth - PC: 4 Flame Bringers (Max) - PC: 17 Daughters of the Flame - PC: 10 Daughters of the Flame - PC: 10 (use them as the Ambushing unit bonus from the theme) I go more jack heavy in the theme simply so I can have some more heavy hitters and I tend to see a lot of ARM across the table. The infantry in the Guardians theme generally lacks punch, although in a pinch, charging Flamebringers can sometimes do decent damage on the charge and even Daughters can plink living warbeasts for damage The Daughters and Flamebringers jobs are mainly to tie things up and also go for backfield support with the ambushing unit. Ideally I try to set a feat turn with Daughters getting in and autopointing stuff to blow it up and Flambringers side stepping through blowing things up on the way I am torn between sticking Death March on a Daughter unit or on the Flamebringers. The Flamebringers don't need the MAT bonus as much, but having Vengeance on a unit with Parry and Pathfinder is nice. At the same time, the +2 MAT on the Daughters really helps them out and lets them not have to combine melee as often With Reznik, I generally pull from the wrack, upkeep Lamentation, and Death March, and if needed, use Boundless Charge on the Templar and/or Scourge or if an opportunity comes up, I might use Flesh is Weak on a warbeast. Also I look for opportunities to set up a free move for Scourge by killing something in melee, or just give out a couple FOC to 2 of the jacks Between a Wrack, and the two Vassals, he can effectively function as a 10 FOC caster I always make sure to hold onto at least 1 FOC The Reckoner generally does not need any focus from Reznik between its power-up and a Vassal. Its job is mainly to shot things as well as use it's two inch reach and Ashen Veil to be annoying to living models and threaten free strikes for anything trying to get to Reznik. It's also good to have another heavy hitter for melee if needed when the Templar or Scourge get taken out The Devout is there to protect Reznik against spells and to shield guard a high pow magic range weapon or something with a nasty effect like Eiyrss's bolt. If things go bad, it can commit to melee The Templar can hang back and shield guard if needed as well as provide late game muscle, or can be more aggressive if I don't need to worry about shield guarding. It's pretty flexible depending on what I need Scourge can Arcane Vortex for the Templar or other models if facing a heavy spellslinger, but mainly is there for his awesome melee prowess and hopefully to get slingshot forward for an assassination or threat extender against something big thanks to his Bond With Reznik. At the same time, he can be a great crowd clearer with his Thresher I have an alternate list which I haven't tried yet that is similar to Fire Steps list that only has Scourge and a Templar for jacks and is filled out with Flamebringers, Cleansers and Daughters
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 20, 2017 16:05:41 GMT
Its funny blakeh but we've made the exact same Rez2 list. I played that for a couple weeks in my summer league and loved it.
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Post by k0rhil on Sept 21, 2017 1:49:54 GMT
It is fantastic to see some lists being shared. My hope was we could dig up some fresh ideas since themes are going to be a major part of list building moving forward. Guardians seems to be the one I’m trying to optimize at the moment as I notice a few others are and much like the rest I’m preferring speed to overwhelm my opponents. Double daughters and double flamebringers with vindictus to make the alpha more likely then it’s either I assainate, jam for scenario, or die trying.
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Post by dicebedamned on Sept 21, 2017 12:22:47 GMT
Thanks for sharing those lists, food for thought.
I'm just not sure Guardians is the theme for Rez2. He has killing power, but being on a huge base will struggle to personally assassinate, and having more models on the board will only serve to jam him up even more.
I think Rez2 will be all over FM. Zealots and Idrians make great feat turn units, easily triggering the blasts. Death March on Idrians seems legit, and having the +2,+2 on all the jacks will help keep Rez2's allocation low - as in what he has to give out for the jacks to be effective - meaning he can hand out more boundless charges.
I run Thyra in Guardians, currently working on a list that is all parry/vengeance; so daughters, flamebringers, dervishes etc...
I run Tristan2 in Jack theme. He wants 7 jacks anyways for optimum feat turn, and the theme gives benefits for doing so.
I run High Reclaimer in Interdiction. Current list is Errants, 2 x Exemplar, 2x exemplar solo, Gravus, VoJ, 2 x Reckoner, 2 Wracks, 2 Mechs.
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Post by streetpizza on Sept 21, 2017 12:56:18 GMT
Guardians doesn't have to be built with a high model count. Look at the list posted. Its only flame bringers and 2 units of daughters, one of which is ambushing leaving a lot of positioning room for Rezniks huge butt. Besides that your statement is completely at odds with then declaring that you would want him in FM. FM is the horde army for protectorate.
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Post by paradox on Sept 21, 2017 13:22:39 GMT
If you like playing chicken with your warcaster: Protectorate of Menoth - Rez2 suicide Theme: The Creator's Might 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Servath Reznik, Wrath of Ages - WJ: +29 - Hierophant - PC: 0 - Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16) - Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Scourge of Heresy - PC: 16 - Redeemer - PC: 11
Vessel of Judgment - PC: 18 Vessel of Judgment - PC: 18
Wrack - PC: 1 Wrack - PC: 1 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal of Menoth - PC: 0 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1 Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
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