newsun
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Post by newsun on Mar 26, 2017 1:43:32 GMT
Anyone seriously considering ADR and think it's a strong pick? Obviously Fyanna2 is solid. The others seem more meh to me. Though being able to swap 40pts seems like it gives a lot of options.
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Mar 26, 2017 1:59:49 GMT
Before we got our themes Fyanna2/Kallus1 was a decent pair. Now that we can take such awesome lists using themes I don't feel the trade-off is particularly worth it at the moment. Maybe our next ADR Roster will be more interesting. I'm praying for Vayl2 to end up on there.
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Post by neutralyze on Mar 26, 2017 2:15:09 GMT
Fyanna2 is the new saeryn. Her in oracles is way too good not to take
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newsun
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Post by newsun on Mar 26, 2017 8:29:24 GMT
Fyanna2 is the new saeryn. Her in oracles is way too good not to take Taking ADR does not mean you cannot take her with Oracles though or am I missing something? ADR just would mean you get more flexibility. I think the question is do any of the other 3 casters shore up her weaknesses or ask a question she does not to our opponents. |
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 26, 2017 8:45:25 GMT
Eehhh... Theme lists kind of screw with ADR a bit. You'd have to manage to A) Find a good ADR caster, B) choose or forfeit a theme with that caster, C) have enough flexibility in that combo that there are models that are worth taking in addition to what you already have, D) Then you have to do it all again with another caster from the same short list.
Even Fyanna2 doesn't really have that much going for her imo because what are you honestly going to want or be able to swap out for ADR? She only gets 1 combat unit, and her beast load-out generally doesn't need to deviate much (nor would ADR allow a large enough sideboard to really matter), so while Fyanna2 Oracles is good, what does it offer for ADR?
I guess if you could get a good ADR justification out of your other pairing warlock(s), you could treat fyanna2 as the warlock who just good enough to take regardless and doesn't need to depend on ADR to make an impact.
Kryssa probably gets the most out of ADR in that she can benefit a fairly wide variety of list styles, so incorporating that into her ADR sideboard can make her the toolbox to compliment Fyanna2's brute-force.
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Post by DanX on Mar 26, 2017 10:48:12 GMT
I love and play Kryssa well (went 3-1 at steamroller yesterday winning all 3 Kryssa games, and loosing Abby1 to a meat thresher!)
I've used ADR at many masters (6?) and at 3 list events it is not worth it. At 2 list events it is really strong.
Last season, Thagrosh, Vayl1, Lylth1 and Kryssa was amazingly strong.
New setup has been less good, because I only got Fyanna yesterday.
I've ran Saeryn/Kallus/Kryssa but though I love her Saeryn is a bit too weak (abby1 seems much stronger and she is ok), Kallus1 is powerful, and Kryssa is too.
ADR is most powerful for the following reasons:
A)Switching your list against match ups. If you can change 40 points you can make your anti infantry list an arm or cracking list instead.
B) Have fun elements.
For example, I am still thinking of a theme list Saeryn, and thinking theme, I am considering OoA and including the Throne of ever blight, and dropping it against lists with just mainly jacks.
Kallus1/Fyanna2 Kryssa/Fyanna2 are probably the best pairs. Though Saeyn Fyanna and Kallus's feats are all quite simalar.
The worst things about ADR is:
1) it slows the start of your game down while you choose what to swop.
2) you may have to carry loads of models around
3) practicing your lists helps you play quicker, changing them substantially will slow you down. Ie you get memory if you play exactly the same list lots of times in practice, that makes you quicker.
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Post by skb on Mar 26, 2017 12:49:37 GMT
Dan. You beat my mate game 1 yesterday. He was asking me why I say Kryssa is rubbish. I was looking at a similar list idea as yours with oracles. With the feat it can be like playing Fyanna but you get fury on everything for a turn. I am quite excited to try it and see if an alphastrike like that can be enough without the timewalk feat. Mostly because I want to use Azreal.
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Post by DanX on Mar 26, 2017 13:06:56 GMT
Kryssa is the pure glass cannon. I love her with a fast list, you try and take over the board may be sneak a point, then use the feat to secure some more points. You then probably don't have much left, but Kryssa is fast enough to move really far to score, or can fight and reposition on to a flag, clearing out contesting models. Hard work. But plus 3 str on everything (forsaken are great...) She is also really good at assainations. A feated angelius or nerpaph (or Azurel) kill really well. I stopped a neraph and a blood seer for Azurel, I really miss the Bloodseer. Makes the flame thrower much less good. But Azurel is worth it. Not sure if I should ditch a neraph for shredder and Bloodseer or not. Probably not. But if I'm not casting flame thrower as often as possible, could probably cope with out the succubus and have a second hellion. Unsure!
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Post by ForEver_Blight on Mar 27, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
Kryssa is the pure glass cannon. I love her with a fast list, you try and take over the board may be sneak a point, then use the feat to secure some more points. You then probably don't have much left, but Kryssa is fast enough to move really far to score, or can fight and reposition on to a flag, clearing out contesting models. Hard work. But plus 3 str on everything (forsaken are great...) She is also really good at assainations. A feated angelius or nerpaph (or Azurel) kill really well. I stopped a neraph and a blood seer for Azurel, I really miss the Bloodseer. Makes the flame thrower much less good. But Azurel is worth it. Not sure if I should ditch a neraph for shredder and Bloodseer or not. Probably not. But if I'm not casting flame thrower as often as possible, could probably cope with out the succubus and have a second hellion. Unsure! Can I just say Thank you for playing Kryssa. I unfortunately cannot comment on ADR. There are never any legit tournaments run at our store. But the idea of it is great, even if Saeryn is awkwardly geared. |
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