newsun
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Post by newsun on Mar 23, 2017 20:41:32 GMT
With his ability to move and get to you from so far away, what is your typical solution?
I faced a list with Helios, disco, gryphon, two chimera, and couple of units of battle mages, some free solos.
I had my Abby 2 oracles list with 103 points of beasts and while my feat allowed me to kill Helios easily with proteus and initials from a scythean turn 2, I ended with only two transfers and subsequently was killed by the counter feat.
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Post by norka19 on Mar 23, 2017 23:30:03 GMT
Sounds like you were close and lost, just because you got assasnisated doesn't mean your list doesn't work
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Mar 23, 2017 23:32:23 GMT
Generally playing a low model count list that places a lot of value in a few models like squishy Legion heavy warbeasts is a bad idea into Rahn. He has no end of ways to find an angle on your Warlock or just cripple/kill your army by focusing on one model at a time and abusing it by dragging it in with Helios/Battle Mages and then killing it with heavies, slamming it repeatedly into walls etc. Rahn dislikes seeing a high model count list with a lot of expendable pieces that he can't easily control with movement shenanigans.
Last time I played against Rahn was just a few weeks ago. Kallus1 out of theme absolutely smashed him. The Hellmouths and Blightbringer can't be pushed, slammed or place so they make for a sort of wall for Kallus to stand behind.
Kallus1
- Blightbringer
2x Max Swordsmen
Max Grotesque Raiders
2x Hellmouths
Grotesque Assassin
2x Deathstalkers
Spell Martyr
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Post by lofton on Mar 24, 2017 0:37:03 GMT
What are your thoughts on Kallus with that list whiskie? I keep feeling like this list is or should be one of our top lists with the Amon and other heavy metas. I like Abby2 ALOT but I still feel it's an uphill battle with Amon and a few other tier lists. I just think Kallus solves a lot of those problems for us but I haven't actually played it. (Still need that second unit of swords) I would love to hear from someone playing it.
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Mar 24, 2017 1:40:05 GMT
What are your thoughts on Kallus with that list whiskie? I keep feeling like this list is or should be one of our top lists with the Amon and other heavy metas. I like Abby2 ALOT but I still feel it's an uphill battle with Amon and a few other tier lists. I just think Kallus solves a lot of those problems for us but I haven't actually played it. (Still need that second unit of swords) I would love to hear from someone playing it. Kallus1 is my most consistently performing Warlock. I haven't played him a whole ton (only ever brought him to two Steamrollers) but he *always* impresses me. I've beaten stuff I shouldn't be able to beat with him and taken games off of WTC-caliber players. Some anecdotes from my last Steamroller: Round 1 vs High Reclaimer. Super long grind, opponent goes to 5CPs with 11 seconds left on his clock. I go to 4CP's at the same time. Round 2 vs Sorscha1 Winter Guard Kommand - Despite this being one of the worst match ups possible Kallus manages to sit on my flag and score up to 5CP's while opponent wastes time trying to clear out all my dudes. Round 3 vs Rahn in Forges of War - Rahn has no answer for 30 dudes. I kill one arc node and almost kill the other. Rahn goes for a hail mary assassination by slamming Kallus into the Blightbringer and dragging him in with the Helios but since Kallus was camping 5 Fury he isn't able to kill me. A Hellmouth drags Rahn in and the Blightbringer squashes him. People are not teching against 30 infantry who turn into Incubi when you kill them. The exception to this is Cygnar because electro-leaps murder Legion infantry and don't trigger the Feat so you don't get any Incubi. Pair Kallus with a Cygnar drop like Vayl2 or Lylyth3 and you're laughing. |
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Post by lofton on Mar 24, 2017 1:45:26 GMT
Thanks for the response! I need to get that other unit and put my swordsman together. I've wanted to try this list since I saw it but I prefer fewer model count armies so I haven't. I have been loving Vayl2 with raptors into cygnar, theme may change the list but she's been too much fun lately to leave at home.
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Mar 24, 2017 3:09:21 GMT
Play Vayl 2 and assassinate Rahn before she can assassinate Vayl? Not a lot of Ret in my local meta so I'm just working off of theory here.
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Post by DanX on Mar 26, 2017 14:06:21 GMT
I played Kallus with ADR, and vs Cygnar you can drop the swordsmen and add Legionaires plus Failor and warspears with UA, and smash them up really well too. Both laugh off electro leaps except on nemos feat turn (and can be arm 22 or 18 with 5 boxes) which is fun.
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