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Post by SkorneMk3SaysHello on Mar 14, 2017 22:34:24 GMT
The long and the short of it is they did an awful job on maintaining balance in MKIII and people commented on it (a lot). It was too be expected. They screwed the pooch. Rather than simply man up and admit they did a horrible job, they did a few grudging fixes and then decided it was just easier (Games Workshop style) to just take away that feedback on their forums. Since they had already tossed game testing Games Workshop style, this was an easy step for them to take. I'm a game gypsy. I go where the good game is located. I came to Warmachine/Hordes because of it, and I'll go to the next good thing if their ship keeps sinking. I'm pragmatic about it. Good joke. Game balance is better than ever. Even at the start of mk 3 this was true. It has only become more true with time. Feel free to wait for a ship to sink when it's clearly doing well, but it sounds like just being a negative Nancy to me. I cannot even begin to grasp how someone can believe this. Did you ever play the game?
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Post by HeadHunter on Mar 15, 2017 6:21:51 GMT
The community is fine, your meta is still there. The forums still exist out there, we just exchanged pp forums for these ones. This place is great, but there are literally years of content that PP flushed when they pulled the plug on their forums. I remember being there for the last overhaul in 2012, but at least they kept all the subforums that time and little was lost. Now thousands of contributions - tactics, painted models, discussion - are gone. If you don't consider that a blow to the community, then you really don't understand what makes a community. I like Warmachine, and overall PP has done pretty well - but if this seems like a good move to you, it's no wonder you think things are great. You're free to feel that way, but your opinion doesn't seem to coincide with their recent behavior.
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Post by Xintas on Mar 15, 2017 13:59:46 GMT
I haven't gone searching for it, nor participated myself, but there was a concerted effort to archive the forums. It was mentioned quite a bit on reddit, but like I said, I'm not aware of the progress on making that publicly available at this time.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 15, 2017 14:04:35 GMT
I haven't gone searching for it, nor participated myself, but there was a concerted effort to archive the forums. It was mentioned quite a bit on reddit, but like I said, I'm not aware of the progress on making that publicly available at this time. Fair enough. I have seen multiple posts from people saying that everything was saved but I haven't actually seen the content. If you stumble across, let me know. I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to import that data into these forums if Swampmist is ok with that.
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Post by Xintas on Mar 15, 2017 19:00:25 GMT
If I find it, I definitely will. Might be a cool idea to have a "Legacy" section with subdivisions for bat reps, how to's, and tactica.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 15, 2017 19:01:40 GMT
Everything you can import try to; people have been on the restoration trains since I started this and there's no brakes on it any time soon
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 15, 2017 19:17:26 GMT
There wasn't much on the Cygnar forum to save. At least, that was the look of it. I wish that the Grymkin Arg could have been archived (if anyone did, please speak up). That woulda been cool to sticky in the Grymkin forum as a "this is where you came from" kinda thing.
Now that we have this forum, and looking back, I think that layout-wise there's not much to be upset about. And thanks again to everyone who set up Lormahordes. I am, and will remain, upset that PP gave us only 2 days notice. If there had been more time, and even a half decent explanation of what was going to happen, folks probably could have saved more stuff for use for the future. Or, they could have just locked the forums after the 2 days, and left them archived for a week or so. Then folks could have gone back in to find things to save. Now we have a shiny new forum with none of the history.
I just went over to the old forum and there's so little happening. I'm not in CID, and I'm glad to hear from many of our membership that its going well, but the rest of the WMH boards are pretty empty. The new players section is depressing. There are very few new players posting, and almost no discussion. The forum change was supposedly going to help new players, but I don't see it. It's a ghost town over there.
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 15, 2017 19:20:23 GMT
Ya. the only reason I go over there is to point people this way from time to time when someone is asking where everyone went.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Mar 15, 2017 20:21:01 GMT
The community is fine, your meta is still there. The forums still exist out there, we just exchanged pp forums for these ones. This place is great, but there are literally years of content that PP flushed when they pulled the plug on their forums. I remember being there for the last overhaul in 2012, but at least they kept all the subforums that time and little was lost. Now thousands of contributions - tactics, painted models, discussion - are gone. If you don't consider that a blow to the community, then you really don't understand what makes a community. I like Warmachine, and overall PP has done pretty well - but if this seems like a good move to you, it's no wonder you think things are great. You're free to feel that way, but your opinion doesn't seem to coincide with their recent behavior. Lol, my anthropology degree rattles about me apparently not knowing about what makes a community. Painted models sucks, but most of the tactics threads were out of date. What makes a community is a shared locus of identity, something that can break the ice at a convention when you talk to a complete stranger. Something that you can share with a group of people, even if you don't agree with them. Community isn't just a space to commune, it requires that identity and it also changes the identity of all selves involved. Changing a forum doesn't stop people being Warmachine players, you can see the myriad of places to converse were used and created. The sense of self wasn't changed and thus the community isn't changed. Community is resilient and complicated. It isn't something that the removal of one part of 1 forum can destroy.
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 15, 2017 21:41:12 GMT
I'll miss visiting those forums. Since they removed such large chunks of it, my interest in visiting, let alone posting there, has dropped to zero.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 15, 2017 21:55:27 GMT
This place is great, but there are literally years of content that PP flushed when they pulled the plug on their forums. I remember being there for the last overhaul in 2012, but at least they kept all the subforums that time and little was lost. Now thousands of contributions - tactics, painted models, discussion - are gone. If you don't consider that a blow to the community, then you really don't understand what makes a community. I like Warmachine, and overall PP has done pretty well - but if this seems like a good move to you, it's no wonder you think things are great. You're free to feel that way, but your opinion doesn't seem to coincide with their recent behavior. Lol, my anthropology degree rattles about me apparently not knowing about what makes a community. Painted models sucks, but most of the tactics threads were out of date. What makes a community is a shared locus of identity, something that can break the ice at a convention when you talk to a complete stranger. Something that you can share with a group of people, even if you don't agree with them. Community isn't just a space to commune, it requires that identity and it also changes the identity of all selves involved. Changing a forum doesn't stop people being Warmachine players, you can see the myriad of places to converse were used and created. The sense of self wasn't changed and thus the community isn't changed. Community is resilient and complicated. It isn't something that the removal of one part of 1 forum can destroy. Ya got a point there about community. But the official nature of the old forums did create a sense of it being an "official" community. Now, we're just A community, y'know. That takes away from the sense of security to our WMH group. There was a certain charm to being a part of a forum that contained threads from long past. It made connections from the old warmahordes to the new. That's something that takes a while to cultivate. I agree that the major part of the community is living and well. We are here. But a piece of our group identity was lost. The part that was official, select, is gone. We can and will start over, and maybe even do better than ever, but something was still lost there.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Mar 15, 2017 22:08:07 GMT
Well that explains a lot. If your anthropology degree says PP's behaviour is good, then I guess that's yet another blow to the credibility of the field. Lol, someone making dummy accounts to try to Troll me? Suck it. Congrats in expending effort in not retorting to my arguments.
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Post by Aegis on Mar 15, 2017 22:49:11 GMT
Guys, keep personal attacks and mocking of scientific fields out of here please.
And please, do not force us to forbid guests from posting with this fake accounts. It can be useful to let someone contribute without registering, but if it starts to get abused we'll block the possibility.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 15, 2017 23:11:26 GMT
also keep in mind we cant give warnings to guest accounts. its ban normally or ban IP. So if youre looking to be a buttmunch with a guest account, be prepared to get dunked.
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Post by gunmageintraining on Mar 15, 2017 23:35:33 GMT
Lol, my anthropology degree rattles about me apparently not knowing about what makes a community. Painted models sucks, but most of the tactics threads were out of date. What makes a community is a shared locus of identity, something that can break the ice at a convention when you talk to a complete stranger. Something that you can share with a group of people, even if you don't agree with them. Community isn't just a space to commune, it requires that identity and it also changes the identity of all selves involved. Changing a forum doesn't stop people being Warmachine players, you can see the myriad of places to converse were used and created. The sense of self wasn't changed and thus the community isn't changed. Community is resilient and complicated. It isn't something that the removal of one part of 1 forum can destroy. I'd contest your description of the events after the death of the forums, and your supposition that all Warmachine/Hordes players identify specifically as that. I'd dare say most players of Warmachines/Hordes identify as their faction first and foremost. Taking the anthropology angle, each faction had it's own identity, culture, community within the greater whole but still independent enough to stand alone. City states within a nation as it were or possibly countries within a league of nations, there was a great deal of nationalistic pride for players of a faction and an adversarial relationship with other factions. The forum destruction has destroyed those individual cultures, they may still exist, but the major mechanism for their organization and continued sense of community is gone. They have been forced to seek out additional external sources for the same sense of belonging. Places like Lormahordes and others that are attempting to replicate the end results will always have the stigma of not being PP/Official. But even disregarding that, the simple shock of having their faction identity/culture/microcosm destroyed so precipitously is going to be a blow. From your anthropology, how well do cultures take to such invasions and eventual destruction of their identities? Chaos and conflict would be clear responses. Granted, I don't feel that looking at this situation from an Anthropology point of view is completely accurate, it's not the worst way, but putting it into the proper context probably helps identify the issues and psycho-sociological forces at work.... but... I'm an Economist.
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