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Post by iamlegion on Mar 11, 2017 20:30:50 GMT
Love the analogies there guys... A boat that sprung a leak, and the captain chucked the people that know how to fix it overboard. Some might come back, some will probably just get run over by the boat. Granted, it's not as big an issue for me. I've had to relocate a few times in recently so I've lost touch with any/all gaming communities. That and financial issues really prevented me from jumping back in, and now I probably won't. Exactly, I still love this game. There were problems, but PP announced CID, so I was ready to roll up my sleeves, and put in the play test hours(free of charge) that PP needed help on. For the love of the game and all that. Now... F-em. The titanic's run aground, it's just a matter of time till they realize it. I will NOT play music as the ship goes down.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 11, 2017 20:34:15 GMT
I miss the Khador forums. Nice bunch of folks. I have no reason to go back to PP's forum except for the occasional foray into the modeling thread.
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Haight
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Post by Haight on Mar 12, 2017 0:14:42 GMT
Personally, I'll be missing the game. I've watched this happen with GW, I won't sit by and do it again. I'm selling all but one of my factions, and I've already talked with my group and "former" PG about shopping for a new game. Leaders are Malifaux, guildball, and infinity. Guildball is a lot of fun. PPS_DC designs for steamforged now and they are working on a skirmish game. I'm excited to see what it looks like because Guildball was REALLY well done.
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coldiron
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Post by coldiron on Mar 12, 2017 5:35:53 GMT
I know we have faction forums here but I will miss that sort of trible feel where you knew everyone around you and also knew when someone who wasn't "one of us" showed up. Any time I visited a different faction forum it literally felt like I was visiting somewhere else. By the way has Squee migrated over here? If not I will definitely miss him.
Also I feel like iamlegion is blowing things out of proportion. PP is going through some growth and we are experiencing the growing pains. Personally I feel that they could have spread things out a bit more and it would have been easier to take instead of having to deal with the announcement of big changes to steamroller, new oddball faction(which I like but it has some malcontents), the remaking of the forum, and the closing of the press gang. Personally I think the end of the press gang should have been held off for a con or something so that there could have been some sort of send off party. Those people put a lot of work in and deserve a sendoff It would be cool if the PG with the most points on record got an award or somthing. PGs were the people you could build the community around and made it simple to know who to point new players at when there were questions. Still I can understand that it makes it easier for new groups to form. If a store is required to have someone on hand to have official events it lowers the chances of people sticking with the game. All in all though it just means that we all need to act a little more PGish.
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Post by jimmyjackjohnjoe on Mar 13, 2017 6:54:31 GMT
Man... These were the times the forums thrived too. Ret just got a ton of semi-spoilers and previously these were the halcyon dayd when you could count on pages of solid content, some serious, some not, to entertain when ya had a minute. The FB page is incredibly annoying to lurk without commenting (my default mode) as all the good stuff gets pushed down by the latest pic of someone's newly PRIMED half assembled blah fest. Unless I comment I gotta search for it through the overshare of minutiae that I despise. I really hope this space or, no offense creators, another, snowballs into something akin that which we've lost.
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Post by bakemono on Mar 14, 2017 3:12:02 GMT
The long and the short of it is they did an awful job on maintaining balance in MKIII and people commented on it (a lot). It was too be expected. They screwed the pooch. Rather than simply man up and admit they did a horrible job, they did a few grudging fixes and then decided it was just easier (Games Workshop style) to just take away that feedback on their forums. Since they had already tossed game testing Games Workshop style, this was an easy step for them to take. I'm a game gypsy. I go where the good game is located. I came to Warmachine/Hordes because of it, and I'll go to the next good thing if their ship keeps sinking. I'm pragmatic about it.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Mar 14, 2017 5:20:03 GMT
The long and the short of it is they did an awful job on maintaining balance in MKIII and people commented on it (a lot). It was too be expected. They screwed the pooch. Rather than simply man up and admit they did a horrible job, they did a few grudging fixes and then decided it was just easier (Games Workshop style) to just take away that feedback on their forums. Since they had already tossed game testing Games Workshop style, this was an easy step for them to take. I'm a game gypsy. I go where the good game is located. I came to Warmachine/Hordes because of it, and I'll go to the next good thing if their ship keeps sinking. I'm pragmatic about it. Good joke. Game balance is better than ever. Even at the start of mk 3 this was true. It has only become more true with time. Feel free to wait for a ship to sink when it's clearly doing well, but it sounds like just being a negative Nancy to me.
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Post by HeadHunter on Mar 14, 2017 6:38:48 GMT
Doing so well that they chose to torpedo the community? Sure. If that's how you see it.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Mar 14, 2017 9:20:31 GMT
Doing so well that they chose to torpedo the community? Sure. If that's how you see it. The community is fine, your meta is still there. The forums still exist out there, we just exchanged pp forums for these ones. They are doing very well, the game is brilliant.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 14, 2017 9:34:12 GMT
I'd say the game as a whole is good right now, and it was close to that at launch. You don't need to exaggerate how good it is. It has issues, but is overall pretty balanced.
However, the communication and ongoing development of the game has been really clunky and unpredictable. The recent changes really do raise questions that are not being adequately answered. The silent treatment we got is not excusable.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Mar 14, 2017 13:35:39 GMT
I think it's a bit alarmist to say "well, this sorta looks like a thing GW would do, so lets bail for a new game!". The community is rebounding just fine here and other places. The company is moving away from Codex creep by making book purchases strictly optional for fluff. They have opened up an entire forum for playtesting new models and are GIVING AWAY the entire new faction's rules (as they stand currently) for free so we can play them early and tell them what we do/do not like.
It's easy to take things in a vacuum and say "They don't care about us anymore! They took away our forums and nixed press gangers!" while ignoring the fact that they said they couldn't continue to support stores and clubs to the extent that they had in the past, and were now going to focus on stores. While ignoring that the forums only lost a section that we were able to start replicating in a matter of days. Don't be the toxic doomsayer when the evidence doesn't support it.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 14, 2017 15:59:13 GMT
...While ignoring that the forums only lost a section that we were able to start replicating in a matter of days. Don't be the toxic doomsayer when the evidence doesn't support it. I disagree. This forum was created to fill the void before the upcoming PP forum purge but it did not replicate the faction forums at all. PP could have archived the faction forums and made those files available but they did not (that would have made things much more positive). If they had done that, Swampmist could have replicated the forums and kept a decade plus of user created batreps, information, advice, etc. PP chose to not do that so this forum and a few others were created as a back up plan with a 24 hour notice. They however did not replicate anything.
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Post by Xintas on Mar 14, 2017 18:38:34 GMT
Like I said, "start replicating". There was a huge effort by some users to save hundreds of threads (not archived here) and Swampmist did a great job getting faction forums up in no time at all. A huge percentage of what was lost has been retained, and it is up to us to maintain the community, minus the doomsaying hopefully.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 14, 2017 18:45:23 GMT
I am not trying to devalue anything Swampmist did or anyone else that moved quickly to fill the gap when PP nuked their forums. I just don't understand the "huge percentage of what was lost has been retained" statement. I would love if that was the case and perhaps I just don't know what you are referring to. Is there another forum out there that did in fact save the faction forum data and are hosting it? If so, would you mind pointing me in that direction? Perhaps we can get that information hosted here too.
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Post by khador247 on Mar 14, 2017 18:56:37 GMT
The only thing that I was going to miss is the Khador forum and fortunately this forum was created quickly to fill that void. We already have a bunch of our old posters over here. Hopefully more will decide to migrate over. Some will choose not to I'm sure and that's a shame but we'll make the most of what we have.
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