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Post by faehrmann on Mar 6, 2017 23:18:40 GMT
Has anyone of tried out Fyanna2 with Raptors ? I was thinking about a core like:
Fyanna2 - Angelius - Angelius - Succubus Raptors Full Swordmaster Full Deathstalker Deathstalker
Plan would be jamming the Raptors in the enemy with feat and then clearing via Swordmaster/Angelius Animus to score.
Question is ... will the Raptors be ok without iron flesh ? have you tried it ? How did it go for you ?
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 6, 2017 23:31:59 GMT
I'm still waiting on my Fyanna2 later this month, so I can't speak from experience, but my thought was to use the swordsmen first. Raptors, for all that they get from Fury, still like to be mobile and have freedom to shoot a lot. Also, on the feat, their main survival tool will be high defense with no knockdown, but they're also individually-fewer models, and can therefore justify greater investment from your opponent. If your opponent can toss 5 fully-boosted attacks, they can potentially wipe out the raptors even on the feat turn, but that same investment would only be 5/12 swordsmen if they were in the same situation.
My impression would be to use the swordsmen first, go in with fury, wreck stuff, pop feat, swap Iron Flesh onto them so they have maximum durability, let them soak whatever your opponent throws at them (they should tank through most stuff except electro-leaps and similar tech), then cycle fury back onto them for another turn, and when they finally DO get wiped out, toss fury on the raptors and they go in as the second wave, since fury effects their mount attacks and makes them very dangerous in melee overall.
Again, this is all theory, however.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 6, 2017 23:46:40 GMT
Raptors+Grotesques+BlightBlades is exactly enough points to get 2 solos in Raven's, and that is where I tend to like them best with her
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Post by josephkerr on Mar 7, 2017 0:02:54 GMT
I played double raptors with fyanna and think raptor/swordsmen is probably better. Having a spell martyr to cycle fury to a flankiing raptors squad is amazing.
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Post by albertairish on Mar 7, 2017 1:28:49 GMT
Fyanna is my go-to to crack Jack walls, so I'm hesitant to include Raptors over Swordsmen.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Mar 7, 2017 2:39:58 GMT
Raptors+Grotesques+BlightBlades is exactly enough points to get 2 solos in Raven's, and that is where I tend to like them best with her I have pretty musch the same combo on all my ROW lists, my favorite being bethayne with double angelius double raek.
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Post by jansuza on Mar 7, 2017 14:02:38 GMT
I've been churning out games with Fyanna for the last two months and she's an amazing caster, definite A-rank. She makes list selection very hard as she makes so many things worthwhile.
That said, I would personally only take raptors with her if I were going for RoW, as I think in a vanilla list, the Swordsmen are cheaper, hit harder, and (arguably) jam a bit better, as there's more of them. Both def 17 with dodge, I don't think the boxes make much of a difference as whatever is able to hit def 17 will likely kill a raptor with one hit anyway - Iron Flesh notwithstanding.
With a seraph, two flying beasts and a medium or two, I find jamming is usually fairly straightforward on feat turn, and it gives the Iron Flesh swordsmen a turn of positioning before they switch over to fury and smash seven kinds of sod out of the opposition.
If you want to exchange hitting power and jamming potential with a bit more shooting, and another alpha-strike unit then raptors are the way to go, I just find that on the alpha, there's always an abundance of targets for fury so the raptors may not be first in line to get it.
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