kaos
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Post by kaos on Mar 8, 2017 8:17:52 GMT
Well the fact I collect 3 other games is completely irrelevant to PP policy. Sometimes I enjoy age of sigmar, sometimes I want to play Malifaux, most of the times I play warmachine. My mood can shift and will shift in the wake of the recent events but I'm not going to go all out and say I'm gonna quit the game because I'm butthurt. I know I'm not going to.
On the other hand the closure of the forum is not so relevant. The community managed to organize otherwise and this forum has the potential to be better.
Yes we're going to be angry for a week or so, but as soon as people move on, things will happen.
Also I suggest you all to avoid posting other threads like where are the community forums and why this happened in PP forum.
Being aggressive will only justify their decision. Just let it rest, if you want to post in the PP forum just follow the guidelines.
Less traffic in their forum means more people migrating somewhere else and in the end we will abide to their decision of pour less resources in their forum.
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havik
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Post by havik on Mar 8, 2017 15:45:20 GMT
Imo PP has had a dumpster fire smoldering since the announcement of MK3. When you mention that you are surprised there was no stress test and are told the stress test doesn't necessarily do any good you kinda read the post cross eyed.
I have explained this before, it was if they refused to admit to themselves how much good will that mk2 stress test gave them.
They refused to admit to themselves that in trying to build a balanced and polished game, it was impossible for the people writing the rules to see all of the interactions, even with 3 years that thousands of players could spot in a few weeks. To even say otherwise was wrong, sour grapes, salt, whatever you want to call it, it was against the New narrative.
The company seems to have gotten to the point where it thinks it no longer needs the goodwill of the players to continue firing ahead which is nuts to me. Since the mk3 announcement play it's down in Orlando. People are actually paying AOS which I never thought I'd see. More often people are playing guild ball...but we had a sour that would routinely have 10 plus games going on Wednesdays and now you are lucky to have 2.
It seems that those at the top of the tower don't smell the smoke.
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Post by jynxed on Mar 8, 2017 17:51:07 GMT
Imo PP has had a dumpster fire smoldering since the announcement of MK3. When you mention that you are surprised there was no stress test and are told the stress test doesn't necessarily do any good you kinda read the post cross eyed. I have explained this before, it was if they refused to admit to themselves how much good will that mk2 stress test gave them. They refused to admit to themselves that in trying to build a balanced and polished game, it was impossible for the people writing the rules to see all of the interactions, even with 3 years that thousands of players could spot in a few weeks. To even say otherwise was wrong, sour grapes, salt, whatever you want to call it, it was against the New narrative. The company seems to have gotten to the point where it thinks it no longer needs the goodwill of the players to continue firing ahead which is nuts to me. Since the mk3 announcement play it's down in Orlando. People are actually paying AOS which I never thought I'd see. More often people are playing guild ball...but we had a sour that would routinely have 10 plus games going on Wednesdays and now you are lucky to have 2. It seems that those at the top of the tower don't smell the smoke. This marks an issue I've had since the start of Mk3 that I'm not sure many people picked up on. It wasn't just the way they rolled it out, but the sheer and utter arrogance they had when they did. That, coupled with the vitriol they spewed at some of the people questioning the skorne cards when they leaked, openly stating that they knew better than anyone could possibly theorize. Removing the forums and heralding the same attitude with CID (theory will not be treated as relevant, only subjective model play will be considered valuable), it's as if they don't believe people are intelligent enough to compare side by side cards and see the lack of value in some without having to put them in part. It's evident to me at least that they have no intention of changing their attitude any time soon, and I gotta be honest, I don't like it. The way they treat their community alone almost makes me want to quit even though I enjoy playing the game.
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Post by ResolutePhoenix on Mar 8, 2017 19:17:10 GMT
This marks an issue I've had since the start of Mk3 that I'm not sure many people picked up on. It wasn't just the way they rolled it out, but the sheer and utter arrogance they had when they did. That, coupled with the vitriol they spewed at some of the people questioning the skorne cards when they leaked, openly stating that they knew better than anyone could possibly theorize. Removing the forums and heralding the same attitude with CID (theory will not be treated as relevant, only subjective model play will be considered valuable), it's as if they don't believe people are intelligent enough to compare side by side cards and see the lack of value in some without having to put them in part. It's evident to me at least that they have no intention of changing their attitude any time soon, and I gotta be honest, I don't like it. The way they treat their community alone almost makes me want to quit even though I enjoy playing the game. I 100% agree with this. For a long time, I only ever read the faction forums for updates and discussions about my faction. Seeing them taken away and be told that "you can just go elsewhere now. bye." was a slap in the face. And now the hyper-moderation? This is GW level behaviour. I cannot believe I am saying this.... but I have seriously started looking into swapping back to warhammer. I never thought I would see the day. I started playing warmahordes because PP was not GW. Now it is the reverse. I will be waiting a few weeks before buying anything, but if PP doesn't improve, my next list will have GW models on it.
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Post by danith00 on Mar 8, 2017 21:07:18 GMT
I honestly think you guys are overreacting. This is nothing like GW. I honestly think it was the best news I've ever heard when PP announced they were getting rid of a lot of junk in the official forums. All the forums were was a cess pool of nastiness and complaints. Everyone and their mother is a game designer and think they know Wmh better than PP does.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 8, 2017 21:26:06 GMT
I honestly think you guys are overreacting. This is nothing like GW. I honestly think it was the best news I've ever heard when PP announced they were getting rid of a lot of junk in the official forums. All the forums were was a cess pool of nastiness and complaints. Everyone and their mother is a game designer and think they know Wmh better than PP does. Hyperbole much? All of the forums? Everyone? I hate when people talk in extremes. Sure there were negative aspects to the forums to include some particularly strong opinions that were unflattering. However there were so many rich and informative threads created by people that were simply wiped from the general and faction specific forums. All of those batreps. All of the theory crafting. All of the discussions about how to play the game. All of the commaderie (I'm looking at your Khador). Please don't tell me that ALL of it was a cess pool of nastiness. Unless of course that you do feel that way. Then ... well... OK.
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Post by jynxed on Mar 8, 2017 21:26:17 GMT
I honestly think you guys are overreacting. This is nothing like GW. I honestly think it was the best news I've ever heard when PP announced they were getting rid of a lot of junk in the official forums. All the forums were was a cess pool of nastiness and complaints. Everyone and their mother is a game designer and think they know Wmh better than PP does. Everyone acting like a game designer is not an unreasonable assertion. In fact, I would probably argue players of the game have a better feel for design than designers themselves just based on the sheer amount of play. Let's take competitive computer games for instance, such as League of Legends. The designers use a number of resources such as win rates and community feedback as well as internal testing to make changes. It's incredibly arrogant of a company to think they know better than the players, and also naive to think that players don't have valuable input. PP confuses me, because on one hand, they have CID, so it's obvious they do care about feedback, but only on upcoming releases. To me that seems counterintuitive, because the very action of asking for community feedback is admitting that they're not infallible, but if they're willing to go that far, why not accept feedback on previous models? Meh.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 8, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
I honestly think you guys are overreacting. This is nothing like GW. I honestly think it was the best news I've ever heard when PP announced they were getting rid of a lot of junk in the official forums. All the forums were was a cess pool of nastiness and complaints. Everyone and their mother is a game designer and think they know Wmh better than PP does. Claims other people are overracting. Objectively paints an entire community with the same negative generalization.
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Post by danith00 on Mar 8, 2017 22:55:04 GMT
I honestly think you guys are overreacting. This is nothing like GW. I honestly think it was the best news I've ever heard when PP announced they were getting rid of a lot of junk in the official forums. All the forums were was a cess pool of nastiness and complaints. Everyone and their mother is a game designer and think they know Wmh better than PP does. Claims other people are overracting. Objectively paints an entire community with the same negative generalization. Do we really need to get into a pissing contest? A week ago when you logged onto the PP Official Forums. Outside of hobbying forums... majority of all posts were complaints and moans. It wasn't enjoyable. People don't like their stuff changing I get it. But, if things don't change it dies.
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Post by Aegis on Mar 8, 2017 22:58:30 GMT
Guys feel free to talk how much you want about if closing the forum was a right move or not, but please keep down the tones and not start to flame about if the old forums were too filled with flames or not.
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Post by redoctober on Mar 8, 2017 23:01:21 GMT
Edited because of Aegis' wisdom.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 8, 2017 23:04:10 GMT
Claims other people are overracting. Objectively paints an entire community with the same negative generalization. Do we really need to get into a pissing contest? A week ago when you logged onto the PP Official Forums. Outside of hobbying forums... majority of all posts were complaints and moans. It wasn't enjoyable. People don't like their stuff changing I get it. But, if things don't change it dies. And all of it was justified. You have this bizarre attitude that a negative opinion is bad or wrong simply for being negative, and there is no small amount of irony in the fact that you were called out for white knighting on the forums, only to turn around and wear it as a badge of honour.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 8, 2017 23:46:46 GMT
PPs Forum idea was awful and a boneheaded mistake.
What they lost was "Whats Cool about this game is that it has this forum where you can talk to the creators of the game, and they responsive and very open to criticism!"
That could attract a TON of players.
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Post by Azuresun on Mar 8, 2017 23:53:52 GMT
I honestly think you guys are overreacting. This is nothing like GW. I honestly think it was the best news I've ever heard when PP announced they were getting rid of a lot of junk in the official forums. All the forums were was a cess pool of nastiness and complaints. Everyone and their mother is a game designer and think they know Wmh better than PP does. I agree, there was a lot more negativity there. But there were much more reasonable things to try than carpet bombing such a big chunk of the forums. For example, identify the handful of forum warriors who are bringing the tone down by being toxic and aggressive while staying juuuust within the rules and ban them or send them a "knock it off or get suspended" warning. Or ban a contentious subject from the forums or move them to a new, strictly moderated forum. If those things had been tried and failed, then there could have been a case for just burning it down. But they weren't.
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Post by AdeptusB on Mar 9, 2017 0:06:28 GMT
I honestly think you guys are overreacting. This is nothing like GW. I honestly think it was the best news I've ever heard when PP announced they were getting rid of a lot of junk in the official forums. All the forums were was a cess pool of nastiness and complaints. Everyone and their mother is a game designer and think they know Wmh better than PP does. You should share your supportive opinion on PP's appropriate Forum! Oh, wait...
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