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Post by Jabberwokk on Mar 7, 2017 18:55:15 GMT
Yes, but I mean the implication that it is solely on the person in question. Innocent until proven guilty guys, don't jump to conclusions when we know so little. Absolutely. I appreciate, of course, the freedom to even discuss it.
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Post by Lanz on Mar 7, 2017 18:55:36 GMT
Well, if the pressure on the forum persists, and PP really loses business over it, they might have to scramble to remove people and point fingers anyways to recover. That'll be all on them, though.
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Post by Jabberwokk on Mar 7, 2017 18:59:49 GMT
Well, if the pressure on the forum persists, and PP really loses business over it, they might have to scramble to remove people and point fingers anyways to recover. That'll be all on them, though. At which point IF I come back to that place I will be posting "@ PP_big_hats "
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Post by wayniac on Mar 7, 2017 19:20:04 GMT
Yeah let's not start accusing. We are all still sad over the forums. Let's move on. The game itself is still good.
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Post by kaos on Mar 7, 2017 19:56:47 GMT
Well, if the pressure on the forum persists, and PP really loses business over it, they might have to scramble to remove people and point fingers anyways to recover. That'll be all on them, though. Probably they thought otherwise, that they were losing business because of the forum. In the end it doesn't matter for them if the forum dies as long as people keep buying. The reality is people do keep buying. Forum drama is usually irrelevant to sale figures.
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Post by Lanz on Mar 7, 2017 20:01:39 GMT
Well, if the pressure on the forum persists, and PP really loses business over it, they might have to scramble to remove people and point fingers anyways to recover. That'll be all on them, though. Probably they thought otherwise, that they were losing business because of the forum. In the end it doesn't matter for them if the forum dies as long as people keep buying. The reality is people do keep buying. Forum drama is usually irrelevant to sale figures. I'm not so sure. Unlike GW, PP doesn't really have a public presence outside of its players, and nearly everyone I've talked to, both in my live meta and online, used the forums in some capacity and are at least slightly miffed by PP's recent actions. If PP is dependent on its players to push the popularity of their game, and the players are peeved at PP, that could absolutely affect market sales. It all depends on how much of an influence all this actually has, and I suppose we'll see in the coming months/years what changes.
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Post by karang029 on Mar 7, 2017 22:09:09 GMT
But but but if I can't do a witch hunt. Who will stop the Satyxis. SOMEONE HAS TO STAND AGAINST THEM!
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Post by Azuresun on Mar 7, 2017 22:19:09 GMT
I would suggest to not start a witchhunt on assumptions. Sure, someone big in PP decided that the forums had to go, that is clear, but trying to guess who he/she is and try to put the blame on someone seems not only unfair, but also useless. It's clear that most of the recent changes into PP behaviour and decisions are due to changes into the staff, first of all the diaspora of some important game developers that now work for Guild Balls, followed by the farewell of Simon as Community Manager. That said, we don't know who pressed for this solution, and blaming Valerie (because it is clear who the assumptions were pointing at) just because she happens to have got in charge in the recent months is unfair and unrespectful. She could very well be directed by someone in higher position than her, or it could have been a condivided decision in PP. I wholehearthly agree that the forum killing was a terrible mistake by PP, but let's stop personal accusations right away (expecially unsupported ones). This. Spinning conspiracy theories about Evil SJW's Who Hate Fun doesn't do anything useful. One thing I've seen with some "spin-off forums" (such as Scrapheap Challenge which came from the EVE Online forums, or RPGSite from rpg.net) is that without good moderation, they can easily become cesspools of tedious edginess, aggressive posturing and whining about how much they hate The Man. And that stuff chokes out useful discussion just as much as over-moderation. Hopefully, it won't happen here.
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Post by meandthc on Mar 8, 2017 2:46:55 GMT
I think you can see the social correctness shift happening but to be honest PP's problems seem to come from crappy game design and bad business choices that burn us. The day i read "the skinner gains weapon master" and without ever owning or seeing a skinner knowing they had weapon master already i knew this was coming. Why did they nerf Warders and Elemental evolution literally right before MKIII came. Hire game designers that are competent and want to.. *Edit: Let's stay clear of insults please* . Have faction identity and a clear direction you want things to go these aren't complaints these are the basic principle of their business. These new Theme books are cool but who would actually buy them? I love the old books...
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Post by GuessThisAintIt on Mar 8, 2017 3:25:22 GMT
Saw these forums hyped. Had some small hopes there might be a new place to come because I liked some of the faction forums and already see that the longest thread in general discussions here is basically MORE complaining about PP just like the general discussions there were...
No thanks.
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Post by Lanz on Mar 8, 2017 3:28:12 GMT
Saw these forums hyped. Had some small hopes there might be a new place to come because I liked some of the faction forums and already see that the longest thread in general discussions here is basically MORE complaining about PP just like the general discussions there were... No thanks. Of course that's going to be the biggest topic now. This stuff JUST happened. If you honestly expected to step into a brand new forum and find nothing but normal wargame chatter, you're going to be disappointed.
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 8, 2017 3:43:30 GMT
Saw these forums hyped. Had some small hopes there might be a new place to come because I liked some of the faction forums and already see that the longest thread in general discussions here is basically MORE complaining about PP just like the general discussions there were... No thanks. Of course that's going to be the biggest topic now. This stuff JUST happened. If you honestly expected to step into a brand new forum and find nothing but normal wargame chatter, you're going to be disappointed. What he said. This is actually pretty tame considering the horrors I've seen of dead 40k forums *cough* Warseer *cough*. I'm already liking the tongue in cheek humor of the site.
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Post by schostoppa1 on Mar 8, 2017 3:47:07 GMT
Agreed. Give it a week until pain the subsides. In the mean time the Faction Subforums are filling out nicely. Feel free to contribute to some of the great discussions already happening and try to make the these forums your new home. Once the boat stops rocking i have faith this forum will head to open waters. As far as the voting with your wallet thing that is about the only option currently. And/or use their newfound love of social media to raise awareness of the issues you see and how to rectify them. I will still frequent the PP forums. But mainly to recruit.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 8, 2017 4:01:40 GMT
I'm already liking the tongue in cheek humor of the site. I try *bows*
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Post by sand20go on Mar 8, 2017 4:13:03 GMT
For me it is that PP does community/public relations REALLY poorly. Look at the podcasts. A hour of self indulgence about 90% of the time. Their marketing, near as I can tell, is also woeful, with PG applications taking months to process and at least as I can see, no real effort to try to move PG to do their "volunteer" job. I know a store which stocks probably 5 to 10K worth of inventory - it has been visited by a PG I think ONCE in 3 years.
And now with "killing" the forums they lose the opportunity to reach out and continue to market the game. Sure people will visit but I am doubting traffic doesn't crater. Eventually people will look at other games. Sales and engagement will drop off.
Oh well, we have this. Life is once again good.
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