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Post by starwoof on Mar 18, 2017 0:28:47 GMT
I don't have my cards with me but I'm pretty sure a swamp troll can move, drag something, then throw it. That's so janky it has to be useful somehow. From my understanding a throw requires a model to give up all of its initials, both melee and ranged and so the moment you lose the ability to power attack. I still don't have my cards on me but I think dual attack makes an exception for power attacks. I wont be able to check for a few days, can anyone look it up for me please? I am now enamored with this idea. |
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Post by joedj on Mar 18, 2017 0:31:18 GMT
I don't have my cards with me but I'm pretty sure a swamp troll can move, drag something, then throw it. That's so janky it has to be useful somehow. From my understanding a throw requires a model to give up all of its initials, both melee and ranged and so the moment you lose the ability to power attack. I made that [MK2 thinking] mistake also, of forfeiting all initials to perform a Power Attack.
Dual Attack definitely allows a Power Attack AND Ranged attack(s) during the same activation! MK3 new rules wording of what options a model can do with its Combat Action.
[ps. My Swamp Troll crit-ed out one of the Great Bears last night, via Calandra re-roll, yum!]
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Post by Arcaux on Mar 18, 2017 0:39:29 GMT
From my understanding a throw requires a model to give up all of its initials, both melee and ranged and so the moment you lose the ability to power attack. I still don't have my cards on me but I think dual attack makes an exception for power attacks. I wont be able to check for a few days, can anyone look it up for me please? I am now enamored with this idea. Yeah I just reread the cards and you're right. The obvious advantage of this is pulling a model in and then headbutting it so other models can shoot it. Thanks guys  |
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Post by starwoof on Mar 18, 2017 3:52:06 GMT
I guess I'm gonna pick up a swamp troll. I want to snipe it, shoot a caster, then toss the caster towards my lines. It's really unlikely and that will make the one time it works so much more memorable.
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Post by Flogger on Mar 18, 2017 6:45:01 GMT
Also, electro leaps are never pow10. They're usually pow12 or 14 and with Nemo3 they're boosted.
So yes, the storm troll definitely has a place in our lists as long as firefly and storm lances exist.
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Post by joedj on Mar 19, 2017 15:09:54 GMT
I guess I'm gonna pick up a swamp troll. I want to snipe it, shoot a caster, then toss the caster towards my lines. It's really unlikely and that will make the one time it works so much more memorable. Happened last night for me. Ossyan was within 13" of my Swampie. Boosted (Calandra Feat) reroll made sure Swampie hit, then pulled, then two-handed throw laterally 4.5" with 1" drift in the '1' direction. Snapjaw saw the fresh meat, and charged only 9.5" to achieve melee range, thereby eating Ossyan, gauntlet and all. Lucky!! And memorable. In my last two games with Swampie and Calandra, he's Crit consumed one of the Great Bears, a MH Assassin, and a Stormfall Archer. 2 of 3 via re-rolls, all boosted of course. I actually own two, and may finish painting the second if primero keeps up his rain of gobbling terror! |
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Post by starwoof on Mar 19, 2017 22:22:16 GMT
I guess I'm gonna pick up a swamp troll. I want to snipe it, shoot a caster, then toss the caster towards my lines. It's really unlikely and that will make the one time it works so much more memorable. Happened last night for me. Ossyan was within 13" of my Swampie. Boosted (Calandra Feat) reroll made sure Swampie hit, then pulled, then two-handed throw laterally 4.5" with 1" drift in the '1' direction. Snapjaw saw the fresh meat, and charged only 9.5" to achieve melee range, thereby eating Ossyan, gauntlet and all. Lucky!! And memorable. In my last two games with Swampie and Calandra, he's Crit consumed one of the Great Bears, a MH Assassin, and a Stormfall Archer. 2 of 3 via re-rolls, all boosted of course. I actually own two, and may finish painting the second if primero keeps up his rain of gobbling terror! That is excellent. I plan to pick up a swamp troll once I get my champions painted. I have to motivate myself somehow! |
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Post by robobengt on Mar 21, 2017 14:17:12 GMT
I don't have my cards with me but I'm pretty sure a swamp troll can move, drag something, then throw it. That's so janky it has to be useful somehow. From my understanding a throw requires a model to give up all of its initials, both melee and ranged and so the moment you lose the ability to power attack. This is not the case as Dual Attack specifically states that the model can shoot even when doing a power attack. edit: The forums fooled me into believing there was only one page of text. I leave my embarassment for all to witness. |
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Post by acsmedic on Mar 22, 2017 19:44:31 GMT
Storm trolls also have Repulsor now. Folks tend to miss that.
I also see Nemo3 commonly and pow 10 boosted eleaps can kill your lock easily so stormy is a good add if you are in a Cygnar heavy meta.
Gunny really turns the lights on with Kill shot. Make sure you take a Mauler or Rok and go nuts! Swampy with two drags in a turn when charging an infantry model under Gunny is really fun!
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Post by Warsmith on Mar 22, 2017 21:50:31 GMT
I had no idea the Swamp Troll was actually good. I vaguely remember reading him and thinking he doesn't look terrible, but seeing the information here and reviewing the card has really impressed me. I think I'll be giving the little guy a chance.
I actually like the Storm Troll. Repulsor has caught a few off-guard, and he is not bad at removing infantry each turn.
I really miss the Slag Troll of MK2 when he actually was worth a damn!
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Post by Trollock on Mar 25, 2017 12:08:31 GMT
OK, so i have now brought a Swamp Troll and a Winter Troll. Mainly for completeness sake, but ill try and give each a spin |
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Post by macdaddy on Mar 27, 2017 20:11:15 GMT
Playing against swampy a lot (my dads favorite model) I can say he is one of the most versatile lights in the games. One time under ragnor with Rage, Pulverizer, and Stone aura the little jerk killed my Megalith  |
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Post by cayterpius on Mar 28, 2017 8:53:15 GMT
Playing against swampy a lot (my dads favorite model) I can say he is one of the most versatile lights in the games. One time under ragnor with Rage, Pulverizer, and Stone aura the little jerk killed my Megalith That story genuinely made me laugh, thumbs up to your dad. (Sorry  ). |
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Post by skurkious on Mar 28, 2017 18:36:48 GMT
I ran a swamp troll in a list the other day where he really didn't "fit" in the list and still got plenty of use out of him. I threatened his caster and shield guard the entire game, made good use of his animus on both him and the caster, and he made a fine road block! He's a great fury generator or transfer target. He's not trivial to remove, especially under the stone(they bumped his armor up). Maybe he doesn't do anything extremely well but I feel like I could drop him in pretty much any list and he will make up his 8 points.
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Post by joedj on Mar 28, 2017 19:08:19 GMT
On the Axer:
I think I've omitted using the Axer for my last dozen games or so. The 'pinpoint' threat extension of Rush feels like it isn't what it used to be, in the days of routinely facing 4-5 Khador 'jacks with our fewer, more expensive heavies. Threat extension is great when you can 'two for one', or go for the long 'caster assassination, or send your whole [Dire] army upfield [Doomie2].
I've upped my usage of the Slag. More WM than Hordes in our venue, routinely, and he trades well with warjacks.
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