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Post by Nyx on Mar 22, 2017 3:30:36 GMT
Actually, I had thought the same and checked the rulebook - the rule preventing models gaining stealth is "Great Machine", which appears to apply only to Colossals and not to Battle Engines. It's not a part of the "Massive" rule.
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Post by moquan on Mar 22, 2017 10:17:45 GMT
Remember that Thyra can give it occultation. 'You can't see me!' - John Cena Sadly huge bases cannot gain the benefits of stealth. That's mentioned in the colossal entry of Prime, but not in the battle engine entry. Neither is it mentioned at all the stealth entries in Prime. Do you have a referential page number in prime where it says battle enignes can not benefit? Because it is a bit weird that it is mentioned in the colossal entry but not in the battle engine entry.
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Post by Alealexi on Mar 22, 2017 15:44:28 GMT
Actually, I had thought the same and checked the rulebook - the rule preventing models gaining stealth is "Great Machine", which appears to apply only to Colossals and not to Battle Engines. It's not a part of the "Massive" rule. By the creator your right...STEALTH ENGINE FOR THE WIN!!!
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Post by Alealexi on Mar 22, 2017 15:48:03 GMT
Sadly huge bases cannot gain the benefits of stealth. That's mentioned in the colossal entry of Prime, but not in the battle engine entry. Neither is it mentioned at all the stealth entries in Prime. Do you have a referential page number in prime where it says battle enignes can not benefit? Because it is a bit weird that it is mentioned in the colossal entry but not in the battle engine entry. I was confusing it with the great machine rule.
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Post by moquan on Mar 22, 2017 19:06:35 GMT
'You can't see me!' - John Cena
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Post by Alealexi on Mar 22, 2017 20:30:22 GMT
Now...is there a way to do with Reznik2?
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Post by WolfsSOL on Mar 22, 2017 23:32:37 GMT
Now...is there a way to do with Reznik2? You can already make him next to unkillable, stealth might be that one step to far........ so come on people how do we do this
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Post by Nyx on Mar 23, 2017 2:46:02 GMT
Occultation is our only way of granting stealth, to the best of my knowledge. So beyond a multiple warcaster game, it's unfortunately not happening...
Stealthy VoJ, though, seems amusing. Just remember you can't go hiding anything behind a stealthy VoJ - you can shoot through stealth models if they're more than 5" away
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Post by W0lfBane on Mar 23, 2017 3:12:27 GMT
Secret VoJ tech. Take caster that can kill enemy caster in one shot (i prefer Reznik1) Optional: put some incidental damage on enemy caster to make one shoting then more likely Put your caster in a "vulnerable" position where enemy caster can attempt to melee assassinate them. Lament to oponenent when turn is over "Oh, no Opponent-senpai I accidentally put my caster in range of your casters threat" Watch enemy caster spends all focus/fury to kill your fully camping caster. When your caster is dead apply Doors of Judgement ability Smite enemy caster Laugh as enemy caster technically dies first and you win the game.
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Post by spideredd on Mar 23, 2017 7:08:12 GMT
I personally like the news that all of the battle engines are getting a bump in hit-boxes and being examined for their place in the faction. What they've spoiled for the Celestial Fulcrum makes me actually want one.
If the Vessel of Judgment just goes to 30 boxes, that would go a long way towards fixing it.
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Post by Miafan on Mar 23, 2017 11:50:12 GMT
IIRC it has been stated that all BEs get new abilities aside from health pool increase.
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Post by Spid3r on Mar 23, 2017 12:03:03 GMT
I really appreciate all the feed back. I have several lists in theory craft now. Thyra being the main one since I have slowly been building a list to use her.
I as well cant wait for a revamp of the battle engines. I actually like our engine at least the theory of it in lists just been hard for me to give up other things for it.
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Post by dicebedamned on Mar 23, 2017 13:54:07 GMT
Secret VoJ tech. Take caster that can kill enemy caster in one shot (i prefer Reznik1) Optional: put some incidental damage on enemy caster to make one shoting then more likely Put your caster in a "vulnerable" position where enemy caster can attempt to melee assassinate them. Lament to oponenent when turn is over "Oh, no Opponent-senpai I accidentally put my caster in range of your casters threat" Watch enemy caster spends all focus/fury to kill your fully camping caster. When your caster is dead apply Doors of Judgement ability Smite enemy caster Laugh as enemy caster technically dies first and you win the game. This seems very situational, but very cool. I mean, you will not get any boosts, so you will be relying on the native P&S to wreck the enemy caster, and you are relying on the enemy caster going all out and not camping any. Seems too risky to intentionally set up, but great as one of the 'Gotcha' reactionary tactics. I am very much looking forward to seeing what they do to the VoJ. I am hoping for something that lets nearby units self-sac to the battle engine and then maybe some form of self healing miracle.
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Post by W0lfBane on Mar 23, 2017 14:47:35 GMT
That's why i like Reznik1 because purgation and ignite
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Post by spideredd on Mar 23, 2017 15:13:19 GMT
IIRC it has been stated that all BEs get new abilities aside from health pool increase. That's right and if the Vessel of Judgement only goes up to 30 boxes, the least that most battle engines will go up to, then that will help it. And remember that the Vessel of Judgement has amongst the highest boxes of all the battle engines(currently at 24), so I doubt that it's only going up to 30, I just like to temper my expectations. I really want to know what the Vessel of Judgment gets on top of a hit box increase. Caustic Presence and Fuel for the Flames look like good ideas, but Caustic Presence wants you to get too close and Fuel for the Flames wants you to get even closer. I would like to see something that interacts with fire or infantry.
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