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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 16, 2017 18:08:57 GMT
Give her a speed version of parasite. -3spd on target model/unit, +1def on spellcaster.
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Post by elmagnifico on Mar 17, 2017 2:32:56 GMT
I personally favor turning Temporal Barrier into a cost-2 non-upkeep wall template spell. It slows enemies down (put walls where your opponent wants to end his movement, then laugh) gives cover on a stick, and there's counterplay to the charge denial with pathfinder. Everybody's happy (yeah right).
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Post by droopingpuppy on Mar 17, 2017 2:34:53 GMT
I played her a couple of time with the intention of just never casting TB after the nerf. Arcane shield, scramble and deadeye are still great spells and her feat is still pretty decent as well. It would be nice to se TB reworked into something better or replaced with something like Temporal acceleration or Spellpiercer. But I can at least see some scenarios where TB might still be usefull like mitigating High def spam or feats like Kaya3 or mordikaars. 4 foc is just so steep for the effect that I'd still only cast it in extreme circumstances. For this, you can pick Stryker1 instead and enjoy Earthquake and Disruptor Pistol shots.
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Post by zorrobard47 on Mar 17, 2017 14:00:14 GMT
Oh, I still like her
She's an incredibly flexible combined arms caster. TB is actually still useful as it essentially buffs her whole army for both melee and ranged attacks. She can actually be just as nasty in a melee army as a ranged one.
Wanna play dirty pool? Have her cast snipe on atgms and watch them push Jack's and beasts right out of zones on feat turns with thunderbolt.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Mar 17, 2017 14:20:59 GMT
Oh, I still like her She's an incredibly flexible combined arms caster. TB is actually still useful as it essentially buffs her whole army for both melee and ranged attacks. She can actually be just as nasty in a melee army as a ranged one. Wanna play dirty pool? Have her cast snipe on atgms and watch them push Jack's and beasts right out of zones on feat turns with thunderbolt. Because old TB's -2 SPD gives effective 2" more distance with the enemy, it effectively gives +2 to RNG when consider the enemy counterattack.... For example, RNG 10 is usually expected to be charged next turn, but with -2 SPD it is similar with RNG 12, which is not so easy to be charged.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Mar 17, 2017 14:45:37 GMT
Oh, I still like her She's an incredibly flexible combined arms caster. TB is actually still useful as it essentially buffs her whole army for both melee and ranged attacks. She can actually be just as nasty in a melee army as a ranged one. Wanna play dirty pool? Have her cast snipe on atgms and watch them push Jack's and beasts right out of zones on feat turns with thunderbolt. Hell of a play when she doesn't have snipe.
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Post by bob on Mar 17, 2017 17:31:25 GMT
Wanna play dirty pool? Have her cast snipe on atgms and watch them push Jack's and beasts right out of zones on feat turns with thunderbolt. #TheoryMachineIsCool
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Post by Aegis on Mar 17, 2017 18:48:31 GMT
Oh, I still like her She's an incredibly flexible combined arms caster. TB is actually still useful as it essentially buffs her whole army for both melee and ranged attacks. She can actually be just as nasty in a melee army as a ranged one. Wanna play dirty pool? Have her cast snipe on atgms and watch them push Jack's and beasts right out of zones on feat turns with thunderbolt. I would like her too, if she had snipe. Before saying that you like a caster, it would be better to actually play it enough to remember his/her spells.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 18, 2017 15:12:11 GMT
Yeah, I mean Haley1 is just fine. Just cast time bomb to slow things down and tactical supremacy for a smoke wall. Then use blur for some extra defense. I really don't see why people complain. Her feat lets you cast firegroup for free. Haley1 is fine.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Mar 18, 2017 15:29:53 GMT
Yeah, I mean Haley1 is just fine. Just cast time bomb to slow things down and tactical supremacy for a smoke wall. Then use blur for some extra defense. I really don't see why people complain. Her feat lets you cast firegroup for free. Haley1 is fine. The problem is not the power level of her, which is still on the mediocre to average line. The problem is, she have no actual advantage over the other casters.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 18, 2017 21:58:55 GMT
Did somebody say Mad Dogs? I come a knockin!
If PP said "Well Mad Dogs are Too spammable". Then FIX them. Give them a niche. Buff up their melee or give them some neat abilities. Or if you think Khador shouldn't have Jacks faster then Speed 4 then make the Mad dog do something else.
Replying to an insult with a Gun is an appropriate way of calling it out. And even if you excuse the Mad Dog, The Berserker didn't deserve the thrashing it got, and neither did Kharchev.
CID is proving to be a very healthy thing because PP plays a different game then the customers (Almost literally at points), and its up to the players to have them play the same one as the people.
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Post by octaviusmaximus on Mar 18, 2017 22:21:59 GMT
Did somebody say Mad Dogs? I come a knockin! If PP said "Well Mad Dogs are Too spammable". Then FIX them. Give them a niche. Buff up their melee or give them some neat abilities. Or if you think Khador shouldn't have Jacks faster then Speed 4 then make the Mad dog do something else. Replying to an insult with a Gun is an appropriate way of calling it out. And even if you excuse the Mad Dog, The Berserker didn't deserve the thrashing it got, and neither did Kharchev. CID is proving to be a very healthy thing because PP plays a different game then the customers (Almost literally at points), and its up to the players to have them play the same one as the people. I often find that people seem to play a different game to the one I do, it's not like 'players' vs 'pp' are a simple dichotomy. So far almost all of the changes to Grymkin have been well thought out and they aren't really in step with a lot of the very, very silly recommendations from a lot of players. I think that so far PP has been more on the ball than most players.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Mar 18, 2017 22:34:02 GMT
Captain Haley isn't necessarily a weak caster now. Though she is not good either. She needs something to do that's special. Personally, I'd like to see TB drop the spd debuff entirely, and drop to cost 3. After that, some amount of focus efficiency for offensive spells. I'd love for her to have "the first offensive spell this model casts each activation costs 1 foc less than normal." Then, she would be a spell slinger caster because a cost 1 disruption or bolt, or a cost 2 chain lightning would be fun to use. She just isn't the fun, front line caster that PP said the nerf would make her.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 18, 2017 22:34:46 GMT
No I meant that LITERALLY. Developers would say "Well Synergy Is Limited to 3, but its only 3 points now!" and then would explain "Oh...Thats cause we have been playing a different version of the game for so long now that we forgot how you players do it"
I would say PPs ball level is OK (With the Grimkin at least). Some ideas are silly, some are PP being difficult. The faster the Old Witch 2 becomes conceptually decoupled from Old Witch 3 the Better.
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Post by zorrobard47 on Mar 19, 2017 3:41:46 GMT
Oh, I still like her She's an incredibly flexible combined arms caster. TB is actually still useful as it essentially buffs her whole army for both melee and ranged attacks. She can actually be just as nasty in a melee army as a ranged one. Wanna play dirty pool? Have her cast snipe on atgms and watch them push Jack's and beasts right out of zones on feat turns with thunderbolt. I would like her too, if she had snipe. Before saying that you like a caster, it would be better to actually play it enough to remember his/her spells. Lol! My bad! Why did I ever think she had snipe? And yes, I've played her lots of times, just not recently . I think the real issue is , ' before saying I like I caster, I should be AWAKE enough to remember his/her spells.
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