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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Mar 13, 2017 23:30:30 GMT
Hey Everyone, I have a change to get a fairly good deal on a unit of Infiltrators and I was wondering what you all thought about it. Personally I have never seen them used in person but I like them aesthetically and I feel like they would have their uses but I was curious about what you all thought of them game play wise. What role do they tend to fill for you if you ever find a place for them at all in lists. Are there any casters they work well with or are they really just a bust? Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Post by faelin on Mar 13, 2017 23:54:56 GMT
I have never seen them in person being used. I have heard of them being used twice to good effect on the internets. The first was a Vyros2 list (Will link from home computer). The other time, someone used them as a screening unit and kept them 5inches from his front line. That way the angry melee Khadorans couldn't charge his gunline, but they didn't block LoS
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Mar 14, 2017 0:05:43 GMT
Thanks for the advice, I have a chance to get them at 50% off MSRP so I am heavily tempted to pick them up but I can't decide if it is worth it.
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Post by ElaraIsBae on Mar 14, 2017 1:12:32 GMT
I picked up two units during MKII. I have put them on the table twice in MK3 but, then Ellowyr were announced last June and I have been waiting my time. If you are running MHI with V2 you are giving up theme which is a bummer but, they make pretty good feat triggers. 2cents they don't even make it into my bag which is a shame because they look great.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Mar 14, 2017 1:23:50 GMT
I assume you mean Vyros1? He's the one with the flank feat.
Honestly, I find that while the theme is awesome, Vyros1 is too dependent on having quick and/or reach infantry to trigger it for the trade off to be worth it - battle mages just don't cut it a lot of the time. MHI are great for running with Vyros because they're cheap, fast, and stealthy, which makes them annoying to remove and easy to get into position. If you have the points, I personally like halberdiers better, because they're actually faster (and can actually kill things sometimes) but it's really down to personal preference.
Other than with Vyros1, I haven't had occasion to use them.
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Post by ElaraIsBae on Mar 14, 2017 1:25:05 GMT
With V2 they die and give movement triggers.
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Post by lyrael on Mar 14, 2017 1:58:53 GMT
Surprisingly enough, I've found Rahn uses them pretty well. With Stealth, and Rahn's ability to get to pick the direction of deviation (so they can't just drop AoEs on them and make them die anyways), they do pretty good work there.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Mar 14, 2017 2:18:54 GMT
It saddens me to see that they don't do well on the table as I would really love to use them but if they will never seen table time I guess even at a good deal they are a waste. I have seen them run with Vyros1 but personally I haven't had much success with him so I tend to stay away. If only they had some form of unit attachment that made them worth taking.
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Post by badnappy on Mar 14, 2017 2:32:31 GMT
I have used in a Kae list as a first wave ahead of sentinels. I also used them alot in a Thyron list where I added Eiryss3 and used as minimum sized which I found most effective for the points over a full unit. Without Eiryss3 they dont get AD and I have had problems with all the infantry on the line for go time.
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Post by koku0ryu on Mar 14, 2017 7:04:28 GMT
I occasionally run a unit with Thyron. They're also decent at escorting Eiryss3
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Post by lonehunter on Mar 14, 2017 8:38:13 GMT
I used them pretty well with Issy, her extra range threat and feat means that they can hit a bit above their weight.
I actually just wrote a list with these guys and E3 that I want to try.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Mar 14, 2017 13:00:37 GMT
Would any of you be willing to post a solid list that you've made them work in?
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Post by lonehunter on Mar 14, 2017 18:51:23 GMT
If I get a game in with the list I just wrote I'll let you know how it went.
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 14, 2017 21:12:50 GMT
Infiltrators are pretty bad at the moment. They are ok as a cheap unit with stealth and pathfinder for killing dudeswarms. I've seen people use them with Vyros1 because they can run and get into the right places to apply flank for his feat.
I could see them being pretty good with Thyron with side step on his feat but they are only really good for killing low-to-medium ARM infantry and that just isn't needed in most of the games I've played in MK3.
It's very possible that when SR2017 is released infantry will come back and they will have a job again.
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Post by Tom_Bombadil_ on Mar 14, 2017 22:09:33 GMT
Is there any hope of a Mage Hunter theme in our command book that would bring them up to an acceptable level? Sadly the HES are getting a UA in our command book and not the Infiltrators.
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