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Post by rhonlore on Mar 17, 2017 18:10:24 GMT
Can't use mercs, but otherwise I approve of the list.
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Post by Havock on Mar 17, 2017 22:56:51 GMT
Can you take Mercs using ranking officers to make them non-mercs? Seems fair to me as they count as friendly faction from that point onward.
Here's my attempt then:
The only feat targets are the mechanics, the officer and the dog (Because you can't target character models with it) you have three pillow-fisted "heavies" on a caster without actual battlegroup support spells and a huge percentage of your points is dumped in the character unit and Yuri.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 18, 2017 1:34:05 GMT
Try THIS one for size:
Khador Army - 25 / 25 points (Zerkhova 2) Obavnik Kommander Zerkova & Reaver Guard [+24] -Rager [11] -Drago [14] Man-War Demolition Corps (Min) [9] Battle Mechanics (Max) [5] Winter Gaurd Artillery Kapitan [3] Winter Gaurd Artillery Kapitan [3] Kovnik Josef Grigorovich [4]
Khador has many Warcasters that can do heavy lifting even without anything at all. This is not one of those casters. She really needs a good army to enable her to do her mediocre assasination attempt.
Here not so much. 10 Points are wasted on the Artillery Kaptans who can't do anything, Joe has nothing to buff.
Drago is a classic staple because hes expensive and explodes without Vlad.
Zerkovas best support she can possibly do is slap anti debuffing on a unit or so. Otherwise both jacks explode on focus, her feat does nothing and her arcnodes usefullness is minimized to near nothing with an incredibly slow army.
Only the battle mechanics have some heft too them sadly by making the jacks more survivable. But that couldn't be avoided without making Joe useful.
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Post by Havock on Mar 18, 2017 2:31:28 GMT
The battle mechs can also repair the MoW's, and Joe and the captains are still SPD6 and as such can play arcnode.
It's pretty terrible but the dmeo corps might actually thrive in a shitlist environment as they are not -that- bad.
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 18, 2017 3:06:10 GMT
I think I've got it. At least for Legion. 22 / 25 Army Bethayne, Voice of Everblight - WB: +20 - Succubus - PC: 4 - Belphagor - Afflictor - PC: 6 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6) - Afflictor - PC: 6 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6) - Blight Wasps - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 This list gets my vote, though you should fill the last 3 points with a harrier just in-case
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Post by Havock on Mar 18, 2017 4:57:03 GMT
Hard to top all those incubi never coming out, though you shoudl take something other than afflictors, that way you can't get them off your opponent either.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 18, 2017 5:18:20 GMT
The battle mechs can also repair the MoW's, and Joe and the captains are still SPD6 and as such can play arcnode. It's pretty terrible but the dmeo corps might actually thrive in a shitlist environment as they are not -that- bad. The Joe and Captains are still Speed 6, but thats really all they get and have victimy enough stats that even bad lists can kill them off. Their very expensive for the very little utility they bring. But yeah Incubi never coming out is pretty amazing.
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Post by grabsnikk on Mar 18, 2017 5:59:09 GMT
For Trolls, its pretty bad:
War Room Army
Trollblood - 25 - Worst List
Theme: No Theme Selected 25 / 25 Army
Madrak Ironhide, Thornwood Chieftain - WB: +29 - Winter Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Swamp Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Night Troll - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Storm Troll - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6)
Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4 Troll Whelps - 5 Whelps: 4 Trollkin Skinner - PC: 4
Dhunian Knot - Leader & 2 Grunts: 6
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GENERATED : 03/18/2017 18:57:40 BUILD ID : 2039.17-03-16
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Post by rhonlore on Mar 18, 2017 12:27:25 GMT
I think I've got it. At least for Legion. 22 / 25 Army Bethayne, Voice of Everblight - WB: +20 - Succubus - PC: 4 - Belphagor - Afflictor - PC: 6 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6) - Afflictor - PC: 6 (Battlegroup Points Used: 6) - Blight Wasps - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 This list gets my vote, though you should fill the last 3 points with a harrier just in-case. Yeah I missed the rule that fills points you don't use. Personally I would add three spell martyrs. If they use them to arc, still no incubi as they get RFP'd. If you don't want Afflictors here is another option. Bethayne, Voice of Everblight - WB: +20 - Succubus - PC: 4 - Belphagor - Blight Wasps - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Blight Wasps - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Harrier - PC: 3 (Battlegroup Points Used: 3) - Stinger - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 1) Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 Incubus - 5 Incubi: 6 You could also take out the Stinger and Succubus for a third unit of blight wasps and just be unable to kill anything ever. Though Bethayne does have a damage buff so I may be overselling it.
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Post by Havock on Mar 18, 2017 12:44:13 GMT
Just use Lylyth2 without any ranged beasts.
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Post by korvald on Mar 20, 2017 1:29:08 GMT
Cygnar Constance -Reinholdt -3 Lancers Viktor Pendrake Major Harrison Gibbs Runewood 2 Trench Busters 3 max Field Mechaniks 2 Trencher Cannons 2 Trencher Chain Guns Min Trencher Commandos
Khador Karchev -Black Ivan -Torch 2 Artillery Kapitans Malakov -Rager Kovnik Joe Koldun Lord 2 max Kossites Max MOW Bombardiers
Cryx Asphyxious 2 -5 Shrikes 9 Scrap Thralls 6 Soul Trappers 2 max Bile Thralls 2 Necrosurgeons Max Revenant Crew Min Black Ogrun
Circle Bradigus -Wilder -3 Woldwyrds 4 Gallows Grove 3 max Wolves of Orboros Max Blood Pack Min Blood Pack
Legion Lylyth 2 -10 Harriers Grotesque Assassin 2 Max Spawning Vessel 2 Strider Blightblades 2 Max Legionnaires (1 with Farilor)
Skorne Xekaar -4 Razor Worms -Reptile Hound Siege Animantarax 2 Paingiver Taskmasters Ancestral Guardian 2 Catapult Crew 2 Flayer Cannon Crew 2 Tyrant Commander and Standard 2 max Beast Handlers
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Post by wolf9416 on Mar 21, 2017 19:23:13 GMT
Had this discussion on the Skorne facebook page and some people came up with some pretty awesome (ie, bad) lists. Didn't have any parameters/limitations for that discussion, so these may not follow the rules of the first post, but they seem pretty legit.
(Zaal 2) Zaal, the Ancestral Advocate [+29]
- Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6]
Beast Master Xekaar - WB: +31 - Reptile Hound - PC: 4 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4) - Razor Worm - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Cyclops Raider - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Scarab Pack - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Siege Animantarax - PC: 17
Paingiver Task Master - PC: 3 Paingiver Task Master - PC: 3
Cataphract Incindiarii - Leader & 5 Grunts: 17 Venator Slingers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 13 Venator Catapult Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 5 Cataphract Arcuarii - Leader & 5 Grunts: 17
Beast Master Xekaar [+31] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Agonizer [6] - Cyclops Shaman [8] - Cyclops Savage [7] Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2] Paingiver Task Master [3] Paingiver Task Master [3] Extoller Soulward [3] Extoller Soulward [3] Swamp Gobber River Raider [4] Swamp Gobber River Raider [4] Swamp Gobber River Raider [4] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Gobber Tinker [2] Gobber Tinker [2] Feralgeist [2] Feralgeist [2] Feralgeist [2] Gremlin Swarm [3] Gremlin Swarm [3] Bog Trog Trawler [3] Bog Trog Trawler [3] Bog Trog Trawler [3] Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4] Mortitheurge Willbreaker [4] Gudrun the Wanderer [5] Hutchuck, Ogrun Bounty Hunter [6]
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 21, 2017 19:47:51 GMT
That agonizer list counts as spam, and no minions.
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Post by wolf9416 on Mar 21, 2017 20:08:49 GMT
That agonizer list counts as spam, and no minions. As I mentioned, they likely wouldn't follow the original 'rules' of the first post, as we didn't have those limitations on the facebook discussion we had. Just thought I would throw them in as we were having a very similar conversation and those were some of the lists that came out of it.
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Post by meniteninja on Mar 22, 2017 3:23:16 GMT
I read these lists and laugh to myself. All I think about is the episode of South Park where the boys try to get out of playing baseball by recruiting the worst players and being negligent at best.
Just forced free strike after free strike forcing your opponent to hurt you all in search of that last place finish in the local steamroller.
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