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Post by Nyx on Mar 13, 2017 3:28:13 GMT
So, this thread came up on the old PP Protectorate Listbuilding forum, and it proved to be a fun little exercise. The concept, as explained below by the original poster (daersalon), was to create the worst list you could within your own faction (for the purposes of making your opponent play it).
So in the interests of bringing back a fun little thought exercise, and bringing it beyond the Menites, here we go. What would you design for this? Attached is the original thread from the PP Forums Worst List 1 of 2.pdf (203.86 KB) Worst List 2 of 2.pdf (165.97 KB)
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Post by Swampmist on Mar 13, 2017 3:32:25 GMT
this post came out in a few other factions too iirc, but I never did get to make suggestions for legion. As such, have a thing: Kallus, Wrath of Everblight -Stingerx13 -Harrierx1
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Post by RamsesII on Mar 13, 2017 3:58:45 GMT
Sturm and Drang 4 units of Razor Boars 3x Feralgeist 2x Gobber Tinker 2x Gremlin Swarm Targ 2x Swamp Gobber Chef Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew Lynus and Edrea
This list might actually beat some lists out there...but I figured it would be an interesting mixture of 25 points haha.
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Nyxu
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Post by Nyxu on Mar 13, 2017 3:59:07 GMT
Alright, here's what I have:
Master Necrotech Mortenebra ==Derlyss ==Helldiver (6/24) ==Helldiver (12/24) ==Helldiver (18/24) ==Helldiver (24/24) Soul Trapper x6 (6pts) Scrap thralls x9 (6pts) Necrosurgeon + Stitch Thralls (4pts) Necrosurgeon + Stitch Thralls (4pts) Iron Lich Overseer (5pts)
The Soul Trappers collect souls, but can't use them save to give to the ILO Necrosurgeon is hard to kill, but accomplishes almost nothing, save healing the ILO if it survives. Scrap Thralls explode. Bonus points: If I pick up the pair of trappers for sale in my LGS' used models case, I can put this list on the table.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Mar 13, 2017 5:51:16 GMT
Hmmmm.
How about this:
Mohsar, the Desertwalker (+27) Brennos, the Elderhorn (17) Winter Argus (8) Winter Argus (8) Blackclad Stoneshaper(9) Shifting Stones x 2 (6) 2 Shifting Stone UAs
Brennos can't hit hard, has weak defensive stats, and eats up enough points that once one beast goes down Moh starts having fury problems. Winter Argii suck, and double redundant useless animi sucks even more Blackclads have nothing to heal Shifting stones have nothing useful to teleport, and the list doesn't have any use for fury management Mohsar has no good targets for sands of fate
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 13, 2017 8:31:02 GMT
Goreshade the Cursed Helldiver x5 Soul Trapper x3 Aiakos, Scourge of the Meredius Helldiver x11
Here we have 11 jacks tied to a single focus 4, 4 point model. If Aiakos dies we're now down 70 points. Our Soul Trappers have nothing they can give souls to. They're just speed 5, Mat 5, Pow 8s sitting at 11/12. And then we have Goreshade2. No Tactician since we didn't take any banes. No Feat since the only 3 models he can sacrifice are the trappers and Aiakos, and he can't bring Aiakos back since he's a character. We have 3 offensive spells, 2 of which are range 8 and one at range 10, and we have no arc nodes. We have Mirage, but no units to benefit from it, and we have Occultation which I guess just sits on Goreshade himself. Literally all this list can do is fuel Helldivers, and it can't even do that well since 11 of the 16 Divers are shackled to Aiakos. Good Luck.
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Post by oncomingstorm on Mar 13, 2017 9:02:28 GMT
Goreshade the Cursed Helldiver x5 Soul Trapper x3 Aiakos, Scourge of the Meredius Helldiver x11 Here we have 11 jacks tied to a single focus 4, 4 point model. If Aiakos dies we're now down 70 points. Our Soul Trappers have nothing they can give souls to. They're just speed 5, Mat 5, Pow 8s sitting at 11/12. And then we have Goreshade2. No Tactician since we didn't take any banes. No Feat since the only 3 models he can sacrifice are the trappers and Aiakos, and he can't bring Aiakos back since he's a character. We have 3 offensive spells, 2 of which are range 8 and one at range 10, and we have no arc nodes. We have Mirage, but no units to benefit from it, and we have Occultation which I guess just sits on Goreshade himself. Literally all this list can do is fuel Helldivers, and it can't even do that well since 11 of the 16 Divers are shackled to Aiakos. Good Luck. it's 25 points, and the rules specify 'no excessive spam' - I think 16 helldivers qualify.
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Post by tanarii on Mar 13, 2017 9:22:31 GMT
Alright, here's what I have: Master Necrotech Mortenebra ==Derlyss ==Helldiver (6/24) ==Helldiver (12/24) ==Helldiver (18/24) ==Helldiver (24/24) Soul Trapper x6 (6pts) Scrap thralls x9 (6pts) Necrosurgeon + Stitch Thralls (4pts) Necrosurgeon + Stitch Thralls (4pts) Iron Lich Overseer (5pts) The Soul Trappers collect souls, but can't use them save to give to the ILO Necrosurgeon is hard to kill, but accomplishes almost nothing, save healing the ILO if it survives. Scrap Thralls explode. Bonus points: If I pick up the pair of trappers for sale in my LGS' used models case, I can put this list on the table. Actually, they can give them to Morty since she had cull soul, and then she can assassinate with multiple doom spirals! :-p
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Deller
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Post by Deller on Mar 13, 2017 9:55:00 GMT
Goreshade the Cursed Helldiver x5 Soul Trapper x3 Aiakos, Scourge of the Meredius Helldiver x11 Here we have 11 jacks tied to a single focus 4, 4 point model. If Aiakos dies we're now down 70 points. Our Soul Trappers have nothing they can give souls to. They're just speed 5, Mat 5, Pow 8s sitting at 11/12. And then we have Goreshade2. No Tactician since we didn't take any banes. No Feat since the only 3 models he can sacrifice are the trappers and Aiakos, and he can't bring Aiakos back since he's a character. We have 3 offensive spells, 2 of which are range 8 and one at range 10, and we have no arc nodes. We have Mirage, but no units to benefit from it, and we have Occultation which I guess just sits on Goreshade himself. Literally all this list can do is fuel Helldivers, and it can't even do that well since 11 of the 16 Divers are shackled to Aiakos. Good Luck. it's 25 points, and the rules specify 'no excessive spam' - I think 16 helldivers qualify. I missed the 25 points, that makes it even easier. Goreshade2 Helldiver x5 Swamp Gobber River Raiders x9 Scrap Thralls x9 Soul Trappers x5 Goreshade's buff spells and feat are FF only. so Gobbers don't benefit. Scrap Thralls RFP themselves so no feat revival and chain reaction kill your own army. Soul Trappers have nothing to give souls to.
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Post by MrHaystacks on Mar 13, 2017 11:09:40 GMT
Hmm, How about Harkavitch Beast 09 (he is incredibly expensive for a juggernaught) Mad dog (It will probably blow up before being useful)
2x max Kossites (They will do very little against even the squishiest of infantry).
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Post by karang029 on Mar 13, 2017 13:45:52 GMT
War Room Army
Trollblood - New Army
Theme: No Theme Selected 25 / 25 Army
Borka, Vengeance of the Rimeshaws - WB: +29 - Winter Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Winter Troll - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Storm Troll - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Storm Troll - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 4)
Trollkin Scouts - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Trollkin Scouts - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10
--- This is the worst thing I could come up with for Trolls.
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Post by phantasmagorium on Mar 13, 2017 17:07:02 GMT
Constance Blaize *Reinholdt *Cyclone *Cyclone *Cyclone Field Mechaniks (full) Field Mecehaniks (full)
It would suck to play and it would suck to play against! Two'fer!
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Post by Aegis on Mar 13, 2017 17:26:39 GMT
Constance Blaize *Reinholdt *Cyclone *Cyclone *Cyclone Field Mechaniks (full) Field Mecehaniks (full) It would suck to play and it would suck to play against! Two'fer! That list has mercs so breaks the rules... And anyway, I think this would be far worse: Constance Blaize *Triumph *Ace Field Mechaniks (full) Field Mechaniks (full) Field Mechaniks (full) StormBlade Capitain _______________ Total 22 points, with the 3 extra points that can't be spent on anything within the rules (first time I thank Cygnar's lack of 1-2 points options ) The lists boasts a great deal of: 1x Decent shot 2x Mediocre shots and zero melee capability aside from a single overpriced solo weaponmaster with a single attack and no way to be delivered.
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rufus
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Post by rufus on Mar 13, 2017 17:31:08 GMT
Testament of menoth 3x sanctifiers High exemplar gravus Wrack
The jacks already have cloak of ash there are competing resources for soul collection and only one non-wc soul over the whole list TOM cannot use his revive ability the jacks are pillow fisted (for menoth jacks) with no support Chose a wrack because if it RFPs when it's boxed
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Post by phantasmagorium on Mar 13, 2017 17:32:48 GMT
Constance Blaize *Reinholdt *Cyclone *Cyclone *Cyclone Field Mechaniks (full) Field Mecehaniks (full) It would suck to play and it would suck to play against! Two'fer! That list has mercs so breaks the rules... And anyway, I think this would be far worse: Constance Blaize *Triumph *Ace Field Mechaniks (full) Field Mechaniks (full) Field Mechaniks (full) StormBlade Capitain _______________ Total 22 points, with the 3 extra points that can't be spent on anything within the rules (first time I thank Cygnar's lack of 1-2 points options ) The lists boasts a great deal of: 1x Decent shot 2x Mediocre shots and zero melee capability aside from a single overpriced solo weaponmaster with a single attack and no way to be delivered. Whup, didn't notice the no mercs rule. Replace Reinholdt with Squire. Connie has Crusader's Call, she can get the SBC places
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