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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 13, 2017 16:23:48 GMT
An interesting suggestion. I already dropped Rupert for Dougal though. I plan to keep Taryn in for now because optimally I want Ryan to be shooting brutal not shadow fire and needing her to shoot first messes up feat sequencing. Caine can feat then Ryan can take her combat action before Caine does. But I do see your point about wanting to use her Brutal shots
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studderingdave
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Post by studderingdave on Mar 13, 2017 16:40:11 GMT
In a vacuum I am learning that the only model that really matters is galleon. Initially I was even brewing a double galleon list. While the rest is "salt to taste" I am seeing a ton of good ideas pop up. Thanks everyone for the ideas.
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Post by koku0ryu on Mar 14, 2017 6:57:59 GMT
On the topic of Shadow Fire, it's also worth noting that it works on your models too: Taryn/Ryan can shoot Galleon (or 2 Galleons, if that's your thing), then your army can sling hell from behind 1-2 huge bases.
Also, fun trivia: if you field a Caine 3 list with gallant and only Mercs that work for Cygnar, your list could legally be either Merc or Cygnar. It wouldn't be a good list, but hey.
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studderingdave
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Post by studderingdave on Mar 14, 2017 8:14:32 GMT
Good piece of tech you have there. I definitely feel having access to 4 shadow fire shots is optimal. I really need to test it though. Worst case she delivers another pair of pow 12/14 brutal shots.
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Post by Xintas on Mar 14, 2017 13:42:23 GMT
Also, fun trivia: if you field a Caine 3 list with gallant and only Mercs that work for Cygnar, your list could legally be either Merc or Cygnar. It wouldn't be a good list, but hey. And once a Merc theme force comes out that Caine is eligible for, we can include Ace!
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Post by koku0ryu on Mar 14, 2017 13:48:58 GMT
Also, fun trivia: if you field a Caine 3 list with gallant and only Mercs that work for Cygnar, your list could legally be either Merc or Cygnar. It wouldn't be a good list, but hey. And once a Merc theme force comes out that Caine is eligible for, we can include Ace! I keep seeing this, is it actually confirmed to work? And if Caine can take Ace in a merc theme, wouldn't Ace still be a Cygnar model, unless the theme specifically gives him the merc rule? (yes, by the wording of the bond rule, it would be legal, but it still wouldn't change Ace's faction)
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 14, 2017 15:27:36 GMT
And once a Merc theme force comes out that Caine is eligible for, we can include Ace! I keep seeing this, is it actually confirmed to work? And if Caine can take Ace in a merc theme, wouldn't Ace still be a Cygnar model, unless the theme specifically gives him the merc rule? (yes, by the wording of the bond rule, it would be legal, but it still wouldn't change Ace's faction) privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?268525-Bond-and-Faction&highlight=caine3
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Mar 14, 2017 18:30:18 GMT
Thanks for the source! I was going to go look for it and realized that I didn't even know how to go about finding it anymore.
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Post by koku0ryu on Mar 15, 2017 15:05:00 GMT
Thanks! Though, as written, Ace would still be Cygnar, losing out on friendly faction buffs.
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 15, 2017 15:12:01 GMT
Thanks! Though, as written, Ace would still be Cygnar, losing out on friendly faction buffs. Nice catch. It doesn't matter for any of Caine's tech (it's mostly battlegroup/debuff) but there could be some solo buff or some such that he will miss out on.
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Post by Xintas on Mar 15, 2017 19:02:46 GMT
Nice catch. It doesn't matter for any of Caine's tech (it's mostly battlegroup/debuff) but there could be some solo buff or some such that he will miss out on. I'm slightly more concerned about the fact that we would have no way to repair him.
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 15, 2017 19:07:22 GMT
Most of the Mechanics have Mechanically Adept so they won't care if he's not FF. Just Dirty Meg and Thor can only repair Merc jacks. Colbie, Tinker and Raluk can repair anything.
Edit: The only effect that comes to mind that he would not benefit from is Aiyanna's Kiss of Lylyss.
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Post by koku0ryu on Mar 16, 2017 7:57:23 GMT
Most of the Mechanics have Mechanically Adept so they won't care if he's not FF. Just Dirty Meg and Thor can only repair Merc jacks. Colbie, Tinker and Raluk can repair anything. Edit: The only effect that comes to mind that he would not benefit from is Aiyanna's Kiss of Lylyss. Boomhowler can't stand Ace up, and ace can't get any junior warlock shenanigans(mkii sling growth style, not that any exist right now) It's not a huge list, and kiss is the biggest loss, assuming A&H are even allowed in a given theme. Still something to look out for with future releases
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Post by ComboSmiteNick on Mar 16, 2017 12:37:07 GMT
I still haven't come up with a Caine3 list I actually like yet. This is the closest.
Mercenary Army - 74 / 75 points (Caine 3) Caine's Hellslingers [+20] - Ryan 2 & Watts 2 - Galleon [39] - Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator [4] Thorn Gun Mages [9] Major Harrison Gibbs [4] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5] Horgenhold Artillery Corps [6] Horgenhold Artillery Corps [6] Gorman di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist [4] Gobber Tinker [2]
I'd like to fit in A&H but I'm not sure what to drop. (20 WJPs is such a crutch) Could drop TGMs but I love these guys. Also A&H is really good for them. Could Drop Tinker + 1 of the Artillery. but they are great in pairs.
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Post by Xintas on Mar 16, 2017 13:30:59 GMT
Most of the Mechanics have Mechanically Adept so they won't care if he's not FF. Just Dirty Meg and Thor can only repair Merc jacks. Colbie, Tinker and Raluk can repair anything. Edit: The only effect that comes to mind that he would not benefit from is Aiyanna's Kiss of Lylyss. I read that as "Buy a tinker if you want to repair". Even this wouldn't give me a reason to field Raluk, despite how cool his model is.
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