Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Sept 15, 2017 18:57:19 GMT
Is the earthshaker dead? I checked the confict chamber's lists and all I see in hammer strike is the BE but not the colossal. To put in into perspective, you can get 6 1/3 bunnies or 3 bunnies and 2 drillers for the same cost. When you start looking at the math that way, it starts to look pretty unfavorable.
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Post by pattison on Sept 30, 2017 5:54:09 GMT
So eventually the devs thought that Hammer Strike was underpowered. #everyonegetstough
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Sept 30, 2017 6:10:08 GMT
So eventually the devs thought that Hammer Strike was underpowered. #everyonegetstough well you still probably wont take it over irregulars anyway. they had to do something!
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Post by pattison on Sept 30, 2017 8:04:43 GMT
Yeah that's what I thought. I'll still take it though as I've been a Rhulic guy since 2009. But Irregulars is just crazy good. I'd say too good honestly.
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Zeykk
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Post by Zeykk on Sept 30, 2017 14:08:34 GMT
There are quite a few themes or themes that use models out there that ignore tough. It will be interesting to see how their attempt to shift to more diverse (read: mix of beasts/jacks and infantry) armies and if it will see a rise in more tough infantry or anti-tough counters. For now, let's enjoy praying for those 5+ rolls.
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Whiskie
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Post by Whiskie on Sept 30, 2017 17:04:31 GMT
Hammer Strike is still worth playing, particularly for Ossrum.
That being said Irregulars will make up an awful lot of the lists that you'll want to pair with Ossrum.
I'm still not convinced however that the best pairing in Mercs isn't still Ossrum/Damiano Kingmaker. It's going to take weeks of testing probably.
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Post by colobos on Sept 30, 2017 19:22:53 GMT
With Warrior models getting tough, I'd say with confidence that Hammer strike is better than Irregulars now for Ossrum.
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Zeykk
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Post by Zeykk on Sept 30, 2017 23:05:03 GMT
Whiskie I'll agree. Too bad I don't like playing Ossrum. I plan on working on a Gorten and Ashlynn pairing myself.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 1, 2017 0:01:04 GMT
With Warrior models getting tough, I'd say with confidence that Hammer strike is better than Irregulars now for Ossrum. better into what? cryx says ur wrong m8!
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Post by mikethefish on Oct 1, 2017 1:32:02 GMT
With Warrior models getting tough, I'd say with confidence that Hammer strike is better than Irregulars now for Ossrum. In general, I would say that you are wildly mistaken.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 1, 2017 4:15:05 GMT
Yeah that's what I thought. I'll still take it though as I've been a Rhulic guy since 2009. But Irregulars is just crazy good. I'd say too good honestly. until they fix ghost fleet "too good" is not a concept i will entertain in this faction
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Post by drakeraids on Oct 1, 2017 5:20:59 GMT
With Warrior models getting tough, I'd say with confidence that Hammer strike is better than Irregulars now for Ossrum. better into what? cryx says ur wrong m8! Off the top of my head? Ossrum is stronger in HS than Irregulars into uh, Cygnar, Khador, CoC, Retribution, Circle, trolls and maybe Skorne.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Oct 1, 2017 6:20:21 GMT
better into what? cryx says ur wrong m8! Off the top of my head? Ossrum is stronger in HS than Irregulars into uh, Cygnar, Khador, CoC, Retribution, Circle, trolls and maybe Skorne. haha! why? because your heavies get repo 3"? OOOH WOW LOOK MY 10 POINT DRILLER IS 3" OVER THERE NOW!!! u can build the same list in irregulars and get more free points plus all the goodies the rest of the faction has to offer! just think! orin can keep your crawler from getting TKed by Haley2 or blinded by Issyria or Parasited by Cryx! you can cast snipe on eiryss1 for extra control. you can use puppet master on the FFE crawler for extra chances at crit stagger. you can use kiss of lyliss on that arcane shielded hurricane! you can bring kayazy eliminators to go score and contest zones because dorfs are super slow and ossrum has to keep everything within 12" of him and stay way back so he don't die! but u go have fun scooting your heavies ossrum doesn't have the focus to run around after they finish their activation so they can be a wee bit farther away when they get wrecked!
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Post by redbaron89 on Oct 1, 2017 6:27:33 GMT
Want to try this! Strong recursion of tough weapon masters. Lots of aoes, sprays to clear chaff, anti stealth, solos to score, contest, and 2 battle engines at arm 20 and 40 boxes.
Ossrum hammerstrike wj 28 Blasterx6 48 Seige crawlerx2 36 Forge guardx2 32 Artllery corpsex2 free Herne jon 5 Bokur free
Played my first match into grymkin today using ossrum irregulars gunline. Went 7 rounds (longest game ever). Lost by 1 cp. I had 10. Opponent had 11. I had the tools to win. Just ran out of time and had lack of experience. Kill the bagman or focus down hollowmen.
Ossrum irregulars wj 28 Reinholdt free Gunnerx7 42 Blasterx2 12 Idrians x2 30 Ua free Orin free Artillery corpsx2 12 Herne and jon 5 Gobber tinker 2
Id add in 1-2 more blaster. Drop gunners.
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Post by drakeraids on Oct 1, 2017 6:40:25 GMT
Off the top of my head? Ossrum is stronger in HS than Irregulars into uh, Cygnar, Khador, CoC, Retribution, Circle, trolls and maybe Skorne. Haha! Why? Because your heavies get repo 3"? OOOH WOW LOOK MY 10 POINT DRILLER IS 3" OVER THERE NOW!!! You can build the same list in Irregulars and get more free points plus all the goodies the rest of the faction has to offer! Just think! Orin can keep your crawler from getting TKed by Haley2 or blinded by Issyria or Parasite'd by Cryx! You can cast snipe on Eiryss1 for extra control. You can use puppet master on the FFE crawler for extra chances at crit stagger. You can use kiss of lyliss on that arcane shielded hurricane! You can bring kayazy eliminators to go score and contest zones because dwarves are super slow and Ossrum has to keep everything within 12" of him and stay way back so he don't die! But you go have fun scooting your heavies ossrum doesn't have the focus to run around after they finish their activation. The average Irregulars list is netting two more free points then my current Hammerstrike list, as I'm currently benefitting from 16. That aspect is not a concern for me. Nor does the list suffer particularly badly in scenario, but with the extra deployment, that's not a problem, the dwarves can get there, and with Ossrum's feat will threaten an entire zone when they do, which they only need to do once. Irregular's has some key issues with it, the main one being Ossrum dies (as you accurately noted) without having easy access to shield guards. Two Bokurs have served me drastically better than one Avalancher for that purpose, particularly into Retribution and Cygnar. Reposition on the two heavies I use, with Energizer has been sufficient to cushion them from retaliation many times, either making heavies burn a focus to charge or be out of range entirely, as it leaves them six inches away from their initial target. That's not bad. But at the end of the day, to be frank, the bonuses in Hammerstrike, the tough, the deployment, and the repositon, are better than the bonuses for it in Irregulars, for the majority of the matchups I'm interested in playing him into. Honestly I think layering on double hammer dwarves, supported by some jacks, artillery, and the siege engine is a better list into the majority of the field but you do you, with all your passive aggressive self certainty.
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