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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 5, 2017 22:46:45 GMT
Well I got a bit more obsessive than I am usually and started toothing over the presented information with a flat toothed comb:
Warcaster: Sorcha 3. Still has Ice Hammer thing, also has retractable gun
Bombardier Attachment: Grants Pathfinder when using regular advance, tactics of Quick work, and a minifeat of 2 shots when aiming.
Manowar with Wolfpelt: previewed in NQ 73, something about being a hunter and avenging the Fallen. Likely a Manhunter in a MOW Suit. Something of notice is that it has a custome crotch flap that reaches to the stomache in a manner that Sorcha 3 has. This level of customization hasn't even been displayed in officers. I wonder what It means.
Khador Assault Chariot: 2 different versions have been previed. NQ 73 version has a chaingun. 3D Model L&L one has podlike protrusions at the front of the carriage as well as having a cannon.
Guys with Banner: Previwed in NQ 73 The MOW Banner Person has something related to the The Druzhina and the Khadoran Military Academy as it bears its symbol on its back. This indicates its probably the Khadoran Equivalent of the Skorne Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer, as opposed to a unit attachment. Probably a Named Officer. Maybe something about honor?
Im just kinda posting it for bragging rights if I turn out correct.
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Post by ozvelpoon on Sept 5, 2017 23:24:56 GMT
Don't Forget
Tankers: Heavy Man-O-War on large basses; both appear to have 2 heavy shields and a ranged weapon. Probably a spray/rapid fire version and a basic longer range higher POW shot version. These will probably be artillery replacements for the Man-O-War. Looking to be around 5/6 points as they are free in theme.
The theme "Armored Korps": Free UA; Kovnic; or Tanker for every 20p of Man-O-war and BE. Tankers and BE get advanced move. Mechanics repair at +1 each.
What do people expect from the above mentioned models in the CID? I think a deep dive by the community to determine what to focus on in the CID would help get our point across to PP.
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Post by MrHaystacks on Sept 6, 2017 10:42:50 GMT
I think our Nich with the theme could be 20pts get a fre CA or SOLO, But it includes EXPENSIVE Solos, I think the Tankers are at the 8pts mark to make them really worth it.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 6, 2017 10:55:05 GMT
Bombardier Attachment: Grants Pathfinder when using regular advance, tactics of Quick work, and a minifeat of 2 shots when aiming. I wasn't expect that PP hates the Bombardiers so much. What the hell? Did they ever saw the card of Bombardier at least once? ...Wait, it seems a sign of increase their pitiful RNG. Maybe.
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 6, 2017 11:24:39 GMT
Bombardier Attachment: Grants Pathfinder when using regular advance, tactics of Quick work, and a minifeat of 2 shots when aiming. I wasn't expect that PP hates the Bombardiers so much. What the hell? Did they ever saw the card of Bombardier at least once? ...Wait, it seems a sign of increase their pitiful RNG. Maybe. This works perfectly fine, they're a shooting unit, and a small one at that, clearcut lets them get into position, quick work lets them clear jamming infantry without losing shooting, and minifeat makes up for them being a 6 man unit by providing more shots on the turn it actually matters, or a second pow 20 if you're CRAing into a hard target. PP just actually knows what their role is.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Sept 6, 2017 11:46:18 GMT
Well, I didn't informed that their RNG would be increased by 12. But, think about their position, especially in the Man-o-War theme force. They are expected to be behind of Man-o-War Shocktroopers' Shield Wall, right? I suppose that Support Fire is there for cut the enemy too close to the Shocktrooper's phalanx. But, even if the are B2B with the Shocktroopers, catching the enemy within 12" of them means the enemy is within about 10.4" of the Shocktroopers as well. It is better than 8.4" threat range for now, though, but I think that it is still somewhat lacking. 10.4" distance with the Shocktroopers means that they are usually able to charge the enemy(9" threat range) unless the are barely touches the threat range, or simply charge longer range(11") thanks to Kovnik's Desperate Pace[Man-o-War]. It is true that Bombardiers are better at deal with the light infantries, and they are able to retaliate against common RNG 10 enemy shooter units that was shoot your Shocktroopers unlike now, but... barely longer than the default charge range is really enough? I concur that an additional attack is good, and because of the Shocktrooper's nature that keep advancing with Shield Wall they are expected to be attacked first. But is Bombardiers good at retaliate the enemy that annoying the Shocktroopers?
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Post by mcdermott on Sept 6, 2017 11:49:24 GMT
They don't need to, they shoot at things behind the stuff tied up by the shocktroopers, and with CRA and a base pow of 14, they're better at taking out a lot more than just light infantry. A 2 man CRA and they should smite most medium infantry that lacks other armor boosting support on an average roll, a full 6 man and you're pumping a pow 20 into something, at rat 11, with arcing fire.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Sept 6, 2017 12:33:52 GMT
Well I got a bit more obsessive than I am usually and started toothing over the presented information with a flat toothed comb: Warcaster: Sorcha 3. Still has Ice Hammer thing, also has retractable gun Bombardier Attachment: Grants Pathfinder when using regular advance, tactics of Quick work, and a minifeat of 2 shots when aiming. Manowar with Wolfpelt: previewed in NQ 73, something about being a hunter and avenging the Fallen. Likely a Manhunter in a MOW Suit. Something of notice is that it has a custome crotch flap that reaches to the stomache in a manner that Sorcha 3 has. This level of customization hasn't even been displayed in officers. I wonder what It means. Khador Assault Chariot: 2 different versions have been previed. NQ 73 version has a chaingun. 3D Model L&L one has podlike protrusions at the front of the carriage as well as having a cannon. Guys with Banner: Previwed in NQ 73 The MOW Banner Person has something related to the The Druzhina and the Khadoran Military Academy as it bears its symbol on its back. This indicates its probably the Khadoran Equivalent of the Skorne Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer, as opposed to a unit attachment. Probably a Named Officer. Maybe something about honor? Im just kinda posting it for bragging rights if I turn out correct. Could the Manowar with Wolfpelt be one of the Greatbears of Gallowswood? Maybe the Greatbears are going epic? Or maybe PP is going to make Sorscha3 like Caine3 and fold the remnants of the Greatbears (after one of them has died) into Sorscha3, give them Man-O-War armor, to make her a warcaster unit?
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Post by wendan on Sept 6, 2017 12:39:14 GMT
Have we got pictures of any of these?
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Sept 6, 2017 12:40:22 GMT
Well I got a bit more obsessive than I am usually and started toothing over the presented information with a flat toothed comb: Warcaster: Sorcha 3. Still has Ice Hammer thing, also has retractable gun Bombardier Attachment: Grants Pathfinder when using regular advance, tactics of Quick work, and a minifeat of 2 shots when aiming. Manowar with Wolfpelt: previewed in NQ 73, something about being a hunter and avenging the Fallen. Likely a Manhunter in a MOW Suit. Something of notice is that it has a custome crotch flap that reaches to the stomache in a manner that Sorcha 3 has. This level of customization hasn't even been displayed in officers. I wonder what It means. Khador Assault Chariot: 2 different versions have been previed. NQ 73 version has a chaingun. 3D Model L&L one has podlike protrusions at the front of the carriage as well as having a cannon. Guys with Banner: Previwed in NQ 73 The MOW Banner Person has something related to the The Druzhina and the Khadoran Military Academy as it bears its symbol on its back. This indicates its probably the Khadoran Equivalent of the Skorne Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer, as opposed to a unit attachment. Probably a Named Officer. Maybe something about honor? Im just kinda posting it for bragging rights if I turn out correct. Could the Manowar with Wolfpelt be one of the Greatbears of Gallowswood? Maybe the Greatbears are going epic? Or maybe PP is going to make Sorscha3 like Caine3 and fold the remnants of the Greatbears (after one of them has died) into Sorscha3, give them Man-O-War armor, to make her a warcaster unit? Unless the great bears like adorning their stuff with skulls unlikely. Epic Yuri is more likely if thats the case.
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Post by tapecrawler on Sept 6, 2017 12:49:17 GMT
If it's Epic Yuri, I hope it's more playable than the current iteration. Too bad too, I love that model!
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Sept 6, 2017 12:59:10 GMT
If it's Epic Yuri, I hope it's more playable than the current iteration. Too bad too, I love that model! I hope that it is not epic yuri. The yuri we got is so close to being really good. I think he needs ether some sort of trap ability or go the easy way and give him counter charge. In the fluff all the people they sent to kill yuri he kills them first.
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Post by skathrex on Sept 6, 2017 13:10:11 GMT
They don't need to, they shoot at things behind the stuff tied up by the shocktroopers, and with CRA and a base pow of 14, they're better at taking out a lot more than just light infantry. A 2 man CRA and they should smite most medium infantry that lacks other armor boosting support on an average roll, a full 6 man and you're pumping a pow 20 into something, at rat 11, with arcing fire. Lol 2 Units under Irusk2, Swap FFE, Dead Caster^^
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Post by tapecrawler on Sept 6, 2017 13:11:00 GMT
I'd love the current Yuri to go through the CID process because I agree he's so close to being really good. That'sthe one change that bothers me about the transition from MKII to MKIII, that most of really cool characters lost so much. And it not just in our faction, Yuri and the Great Bears got smashed, but so did the Gun Mage Captain Adept solo and The Black 13. I'm sure there's others that were adversely affected but those are the ones I'm most familiar with.
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Post by killermuppet on Sept 6, 2017 20:14:29 GMT
After checking and seeing both issue 73 of No Quarter and the Lock and Load Keynotes there are at least 5 different Man-O-Wars that they have previewed so far.
1. Man-O-War Sorscha (NQ73 and on site here) 2. Man-O-War unnamed and face obscured with wolf pelt on shoulder. (NQ73) 3. Man-O-War "Officer and Standard" again faces obscured (NQ73 & Keynote Lock and Load L&L) 4. Man-O-War Siege Chariot (NQ73 and keynote) 5. Man-O-War "Heavy" Tankers (Keynote L&L)
The Man-O-Wars "Heavy" Tankers are interesting as there are two different versions shown. One has a large cannon on the shoulder and another shows what look like Multiple tubes where the hands would be attached to the shield. The Large shoulder cannon model is missing the Multiple tubes on this model. Could be the Tankers come in two different models. If so the Tankers could be following the Shocktrooper/Bombardier idea. One unit of "Shield Tankers" screens the "Chaingun Tankers" The Shield Tankers could have short range "rockets" to protect them and are there to slam/bash models from the "Chaingunner Tankers" who with Shocktrooper and Bombardier MoW clean up pockets of resistance.
I am not sure how Demo Corp work now, but if the "Officer and Standard" MoWs are any indication maybe the Demo Corp are with them and get some cool function? We have kinda seen what Bombardiers are getting and Shocktroopers already have an officer, hopefully Demo Corps are going to get the same treatment?
Just my 2cp, -Da Muppet
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