granor
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Post by granor on Aug 24, 2017 19:20:10 GMT
Jalaam is in CID mat 7 rat 7 is very accurate 15/15 is pretty lame defensive stat block with no defensive tech. No I do not count tough Hunter + prey works because his gun is range 12 Pathfinder is nice to have Gun is standard revier but magical Sword has grievous wounds nice but feels like you should never be using this
spells Artifice of Deviation - Cover inside AOE Deadeye - ranged to hit + die for 1st non-spray attack Scavenger's blessing - pathfinder and prowl warpath - warbeast 3" move Vanish - 3" place for caster
Deadeye is a good spell for slingers scavenger's blessing is nice on our ranged units Vanish + gun is a decent combo Warpath is a nice move not sure what beasts he wants in his list
Over All, Without RFP or a damage fixer I am not sure if I would ever run this guy.
What list are you guys running against ghost fleet? Is anyone using any other caster other than hexy1? Obviously this guy can run a Winds list but do you want him to? I assume you could make a warhost list for this guy but it looks like you lose a bunch of his spell's effectiveness
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regleant
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Post by regleant on Aug 25, 2017 0:23:47 GMT
You did not mention a feat?
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Aug 25, 2017 0:42:42 GMT
You utterly left out his feat. Also, if in WoD he'll presumably be humping the wall. With a range 16"(snipe) gun and hunter he'll do plenty.
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granor
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Post by granor on Aug 25, 2017 2:52:22 GMT
Feat When an enemy attacks a friendly faction model in control they roll one less die to hit
Also just noticed the gun is rof 2
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skormedlover87
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Post by skormedlover87 on Aug 25, 2017 4:06:43 GMT
Feat When an enemy attacks a friendly faction model in control they roll one less die to hit Also just noticed the gun is rof 2 Tasty. Rof2 is better than WM Rof1 on a caster IMO.
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Post by scorp on Aug 25, 2017 4:28:33 GMT
FURY?
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didder
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Post by didder on Aug 25, 2017 5:33:43 GMT
I can't see anything to be disappointed with about Jalaam. I suspect they rolled him out a little high in power for CID and will tone something very slightly down, like downgrade to reload1.
Far strike, Rat7, RoF 2, Hunter, and prey make for a lot of work getting done personally. Ignoring cover is pretty rare and very potent. Seems there'll be hardly a turn he doesn't put out good damage from a very safe position.
Personally, I'd like SB on Slingers more than deadeye since their AD is just begging for Pathfinder and prowl. Reivers, though don't need deadeye that much with rerollable cras. I'm torn. Maybe run two slinger units with Jalaam? They are cheap. I guess SB on reivers could be worth it. Ocassionally they get stuck in terrain.
With handing out prowl, the theme wall, and AoD, that's a lot of cover and stealth to have. Very nice. Probably don't even need a krea with him. A big bonus in my eyes.
Swift Hunter from the theme pairs very nicely with warpath. That's just a lot of free movement. I'd take a pair of Cannoneers and rest easy leaving the gladiator at home. Maybe even three cannoneers, since they can position very nimbly to use their very decent melee. I love not needing a gladiator for everything.
In regards to Ghost fleet Jalaam does have some of the things they wouldn't like to see. A cheap 10 man unit with prowl is something they have trouble with, terrain God's willing. Jalaam can put prowl on himself. Under the Brute Animus and with any of the many ways he can get cover, he can be very hard to assassinate. His gun can keep the Wraith Engine worried, and scalpel out important solos like the hellslinger phantom. Deadeye means her feat drop in accuracy won't mean much, and his own defense feat slightly outpaces her feats def debuff. Denny would have to be very careful when feating too.
Although he has no rfp, it will be hard to hide a model to prevent full unit destruction against Jalaam. Under Rush and after warpath, a Cannoneer can switch to far strike and that's 25 inches of threat? Same threat for Shamans too but with ghost shot. They can shoot the back edge of the enemy zone if they work for it.
Maybe I'm just talking myself into it too much. For sure the coven would ruin Jalaam.
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Post by lavkitsune on Aug 25, 2017 7:35:44 GMT
This is awesome caster and I liked it ever since it got first spoiled. Thing that most intrested me about it was not ranged potential, but Warpath and his potential in mixed lists and aggressive melee lists. Warpath + rush sets his battlegroups melee threat highest of our faction by adding total of 5" threat: 13" Gladiators, 14" Sentries, 15" Rhinodon and 16" Cyclop threats REALLY sound good!
Also, Jalaam hits targets 24" away with snipe and vanish so he makes insanely good solo hunter. Prey on those solos and with help from soulward hit -anything- with Rat9 pow 14 boostable attacks twice! He could easily take down nasty solos like Lanyssa Ryssyl, Saxon Orrick or Alten Ashley from far away before they got chance to do anything
And as pretty much everyone has noticed, feat is solid gold! Even without stars crossed, it makes Def 13 look like def 19 for most of time or even impossible to hit sometimes. Anything with set defences combined with the feat works, Keltarii become real threat as they are hard to remove untill it's too late. Legends of Halaak under that feat sound quite nasty too, haha!
On top of all that treat he can thro rough terrain to slow foes, pathfinder to share for units that lack it and decent stats overall. What more can I say that this guy is awesome and i'm hyped! =D
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cassus
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Post by cassus on Aug 25, 2017 11:19:36 GMT
So what kinds of crazy lists are you guys whipping up to test him? During the PP CID live stream one of the Wills mentions a cyclops heavy list with him, their def13 certainly works well with his feat. I'm thinking a ranged Imperial warhost theme of ranged cyclopes and maybe a titan or two just for some hitting power. Thoughts?
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Post by dessert hydra on Aug 25, 2017 13:58:00 GMT
I like the guys he's got control aspects (AoD), RAT fixer, insane DEF skew for one turn (admittedly you need to be way up front).
Jalaam in winds! Shaman Raider Cannonner Cannoneer Marketh - free
Extoller Extoller Dakar Willbreaker -free
Max Slingers Max Reivers +UA Flayer Cannon Min handlers
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didder
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Post by didder on Aug 25, 2017 14:04:51 GMT
I'm really looking at Incindiarii and Arcuarii with Jalaam. Prowl and pathfinder is intriguing on them, and deadeye is fantastic for them. They both got a bit cheaper and got stronger guns in the Skorne errata. It's just too bad their defense is so low.
Molik, Archidon, and Brutes, and Karax seem the best positioned to take advantage of his feat and access to star crossed. Bloodrunners will have trouble keeping in the defense boosts.
He can deliver Ferox quite well, and make sure that their dodge from Radheim happens often.
The Sentinel's Swarm anumus is a defensive boost Jalaam can ramp up higher, though it's only against living enemy's. Hopefully Jalaam will be on ADR where this can be a very potent sideboard option.
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Post by dessert hydra on Aug 25, 2017 14:20:37 GMT
I'm really looking at Incindiarii and Arcuarii with Jalaam. Prowl and pathfinder is intriguing on them, and deadeye is fantastic for them. Damn I didn't even think about Arcuarii or Incindiarii... I completely forgot they existed but absolutely good call.
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Post by lavkitsune on Aug 25, 2017 18:29:22 GMT
I was thinking something bit more melee oriented winds for him. Something like:
(Jalaam 1) Primus Jalaam [+28] - Aradus Soldier [16] - Aradus Soldier [16] - Cyclops Raider [9] - Cyclops Shaman [8] - Titan Gladiator [15] Extoller Soulward [0(3)] Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7] Venator Reivers (max) [15] - Venator Reiver Officer & Standard [4] Venator Slingers (max) [13]
Winds have bit of a weakside against jackspam and highly armored foes, so 2 soldiers and Gladiator would be there to fix that problem with their 13" melee threat. They are also something to jam enemy lines while you focus on shooting with everything else. Jalaam handles solos and support by himself so yeah. I am REALLY waiting for this model to be released. I really like the way he plays out as even though he seems ranged focused, he buffs getting to melee so well!
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Post by sardonicartery on Aug 31, 2017 19:38:26 GMT
Here's my initial review of ultimate desert hobo, Primus Jalaam: bit.ly/2wVoJyD
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Post by dessert hydra on Sept 1, 2017 10:56:28 GMT
Here's my initial review of ultimate desert hobo, Primus Jalaam: bit.ly/2wVoJyDSweet write up! I'm not in CID so haven't seen the catapract love have you tried them out?
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